First Cycle ever Test P and Test E

[flex001]

My opinion would be to cut out all the gear. Go with a basic TRT dose of 125 mg per week split between two injections. If you don't feel optimal at that dose you could up it to 200mg split up into two injections. Stick to approx 1800 cals per day and keep working out and doing cardio. You should see a big difference. If I recall correctly you're taking higher dose Test, your E2 might be high and you're probably holding water like crazy. Scale back and you should be able to get that weight down some and lower your bf. Right now there's just too many variables.

 

[weekend]

I have realized taking exercise into account never works when considering calories burning. Try calculating your basal metabolic rate without exercise, and eat at a deficit from that and exercise more.

At one point when I was cutting at 170 I had to drop my calories to around 1100 a day to get down to 165. I didn't lose muscle, but I was still eating 200 G protein per day.

I would up your protein intake to 50% of your calories, minimum.

 

[Beergut75]

Weekend what do you eat to get your protein to 200 g per day?

 

[Beergut75]

Hey Flex I agree that I should probably just drop the gear and go all natural. I am this far into it though and feel pretty good my sex life is AMAZING and I don't want to quit. Honestly it's addictive. The results are not there for sure but I don't want to quit. I am one of those guys that can't turn a movie off even if it sucks, I can't not finish a book, etc. In business this trait helps me and it occasionally hurts me. It's something I have battled with my whole life.

I want to try to come COMPLETELY off gear in January and see if my body can get my levels right on its own. I can always go back to a TRT level if the labs don't look good.

My woman is on cycle now and this is something we have been doing together and it's been a fun experience other than the lack of progress. Some couples take Ball room dancing classes. We pin gear and have porn star sex. Everyone has their thing.

 

[flex001]

Lol! I hear you bro. No harm there. Just something to think about after this run. Just trying to help you nail down your physical goals. I agree, sex is a hell of a lot better on gear. The doses don't have to be high though. It's pretty damn good at TRT levels also.

If you're going to completely come off and try to get your natty levels up after they were really low even before gear, you're going to have to make sure your PCT is really spot on.

 

[Beergut75]

For sure man and I value all the input on PCT I can get. I have tamoxifen and clomid on hand and I've been taking HCG already.

I want to see if my body can recover before I resign myself to a life of TRT. It's worth a shot at least. I hate being dependent on something forever.

 

[weekend]

well, at this point i am 200 lbs with abs, so i cut on more like 2000-2500 calories and i do 250 g protein.

with that low diet, there is no fun lol

i was eating lean steak with steak sauce, plain chicken breast, tuna cans, eggs, protein shakes, and small servings of fruit and veggies.

2x 2 scoop protein shakes in water had me at 100 g protein, then i would eat like a pound or so of lean meat, or less if i decided to throw in some cottage cheese or eggs.

veggie consumption would be like a big plate of broccoli and a banana

we're talking only 2 meals a day post workout. no eating preworkout

 

[Beergut75]

well, at this point i am 200 lbs with abs, so i cut on more like 2000-2500 calories and i do 250 g protein.

with that low diet, there is no fun lol

i was eating lean steak with steak sauce, plain chicken breast, tuna cans, eggs, protein shakes, and small servings of fruit and veggies.

2x 2 scoop protein shakes in water had me at 100 g protein, then i would eat like a pound or so of lean meat, or less if i decided to throw in some cottage cheese or eggs.

veggie consumption would be like a big plate of broccoli and a banana

we're talking only 2 meals a day post workout. no eating preworkout

That sounds like a solid plan. I am not that far off from that and with a little tweaking I could get there.

 

[Beergut75]

On vacation for Christmas just pinned in the condo. Everytime I Pinn now I bleed. Not just a little but quite a bit. It doesn't seem to matter whether it's glute or quad there will be bleeding.

I also seem to have a heightened sense of smell? Maybe I'm pregnant?

In other news I'm setting new personal bests on bench and squats. Have been absolutely crushing it in the gym. I think while I'm here in Texas I'll run on the beach.

 

[azazul]

bro, could you post some of your training routine? Reading your log I understand your goal is fat loss, and what I'm gathering is you are not really seeing the results you like, Its very early so correct me if Im wrong.

 

[Beergut75]

bro, could you post some of your training routine? Reading your log I understand your goal is fat loss, and what I'm gathering is you are not really seeing the results you like, Its very early so correct me if Im wrong.

Day 1: Chest

Flat Bench
1st set: Six Reps (last rep being almost too much to bare)
2nd set: Four Reps
3rd set: Two Reps
Decline
Repeat sets from flat bench
Incline
1st set comfortable weight
2nd&3rd set5-8 reps max weight
Cables (8-10 reps all 3 sets)
Cable Fly's
Cable Ups
Downward Cables
Day 2 Back

Warm Up elliptical 15-20 mins

3 sets of pull ups until failure

4 sets of deadlifts
1st set: 6 reps
2nd set: 4 reps
3rd set: 2 reps
4th set: 6 reps
T bar row: Inner/Outer
3 sets each
1st set: 6 reps
2nd set 4 reps
3rd set 6 reps
Pull Downs
3X8-10 max weight
Day 3: Shoulders
3X6-10 reps Seated Lateral Raises
3X6-10 reps standing lateral raises
3X6-10 reps alternating front raises
3X6-10 reps bent over lateral raises
3X6-10 reps military press
3X6-10 reps behind head press (1st set until failure) reverse cross cables
Day 4: Bi and Tri
Straight Bar Curl until Failure (drop set)
Straight bar Tri push downs (super set) 3 sets over hand and 3 sets under hand all until failure
Seated DB hammer curls 3 sets 6-10 reps
Tri Push Down with Rope 3 sets half way down/ 3 sets all the way down to side all until failure
Standing DB Hammer curls 3X6-10
DB Bi curls 3X6-10
Day 5: Legs
Squat 3X6-10 (max weight)
Leg extensions (both legs) 3X6-10 reps
Leg extensions (single leg) 3X6-10 reps
Hamstring curls 3X6-10 max weight
Lunges (max Weight) 3 sets back and forth down floor
Close squat on Smith Machine (feet forward leaning back) 3X10-15 comfortable weight
Seated&Standing Calf raises (super set) 3 sets all until failure

that is the workout. I usually follow with 30 mins on the treadmill and on Mondays and Thursday I play basketball for a couple of hours.

I am 192 right now and feel like I may be leaning out some and getting more definition in my upper body. I have noticed some veins are popping.

My diet which has been good for a few years has been kind of crappy of late. I have been traveling alot so I don't eat as often as I should then I get crazy hungry and eat garbage. It has probably happened 4to5 times in the past week. I have to get that tightened up.

 

[TaoPhD]

Day 1: Chest

Flat Bench
1st set: Six Reps (last rep being almost too much to bare)
2nd set: Four Reps
3rd set: Two Reps
Decline
Repeat sets from flat bench
Incline
1st set comfortable weight
2nd&3rd set5-8 reps max weight
Cables (8-10 reps all 3 sets)
Cable Fly's
Cable Ups
Downward Cables
Day 2 Back

Warm Up elliptical 15-20 mins

3 sets of pull ups until failure

4 sets of deadlifts
1st set: 6 reps
2nd set: 4 reps
3rd set: 2 reps
4th set: 6 reps
T bar row: Inner/Outer
3 sets each
1st set: 6 reps
2nd set 4 reps
3rd set 6 reps
Pull Downs
3X8-10 max weight
Day 3: Shoulders
3X6-10 reps Seated Lateral Raises
3X6-10 reps standing lateral raises
3X6-10 reps alternating front raises
3X6-10 reps bent over lateral raises
3X6-10 reps military press
3X6-10 reps behind head press (1st set until failure) reverse cross cables
Day 4: Bi and Tri
Straight Bar Curl until Failure (drop set)
Straight bar Tri push downs (super set) 3 sets over hand and 3 sets under hand all until failure
Seated DB hammer curls 3 sets 6-10 reps
Tri Push Down with Rope 3 sets half way down/ 3 sets all the way down to side all until failure
Standing DB Hammer curls 3X6-10
DB Bi curls 3X6-10
Day 5: Legs
Squat 3X6-10 (max weight)
Leg extensions (both legs) 3X6-10 reps
Leg extensions (single leg) 3X6-10 reps
Hamstring curls 3X6-10 max weight
Lunges (max Weight) 3 sets back and forth down floor
Close squat on Smith Machine (feet forward leaning back) 3X10-15 comfortable weight
Seated&Standing Calf raises (super set) 3 sets all until failure

that is the workout. I usually follow with 30 mins on the treadmill and on Mondays and Thursday I play basketball for a couple of hours.

I am 192 right now and feel like I may be leaning out some and getting more definition in my upper body. I have noticed some veins are popping.

My diet which has been good for a few years has been kind of crappy of late. I have been traveling alot so I don't eat as often as I should then I get crazy hungry and eat garbage. It has probably happened 4to5 times in the past week. I have to get that tightened up.

Hey bro,
Maybe try upping your reps to 12 to 15? Just food for thought. Speaking of food, get out of that garbage. Part of your fight is self control. It is really hard at first but if you can stick with it for a couple weeks the cravings will diminish. I had that same problem once and it took me about 10 days to get my body to adjust to healthy food.

 

[Beergut75]

Honestly I ate great before cycle and have only recently had these issues. I blame the travel and the EQ but you are 100% correct it's self control.

 

[TaoPhD]

Honestly I ate great before cycle and have only recently had these issues. I blame the travel and the EQ but you are 100% correct it's self control.

Especially on the road. I get it. Maybe look into beef jerky if you need a quick snack. A little high in sodium but also good on protein. That and various nuts such as almonds will fill you up and are healthy. Lots of good fibrous material to clean you out!

 

[flex001]

My personal opinion in regards to weight/fat loss is that training and AAS are second to diet. You will NEVER achieve your goals if your diet isn't right. I'm an NFPT Certified Personal Trainer and I don't know everything but the first thing I convey to my clients is that if your diet isn't right, you're wasting everyone's time.

I follow a strict Ketogenic diet during cutting and I do 8 - 10 reps tops. Sometimes I go as low as 6 and now I only incorporate Cardio maybe once a week. Using that routine, I've honestly never had better results in my life. Unless you're pre 30, DIET IS KEY!!!!!

 

[Beergut75]

My personal opinion in regards to weight/fat loss is that training and AAS are second to diet. You will NEVER achieve your goals if your diet isn't right. I'm an NFPT Certified Personal Trainer and I don't know everything but the first thing I convey to my clients is that if your diet isn't right, you're wasting everyone's time.

I follow a strict Ketogenic diet during cutting and I do 8 - 10 reps tops. Sometimes I go as low as 6 and now I only incorporate Cardio maybe once a week. Using that routine, I've honestly never had better results in my life. Unless you're pre 30, DIET IS KEY!!!!!

This is one of those things I KNOW but don't always do. It's like saving for retirement you know you need to and that it's never good enough but you just don't do it right.

This is one great thing about this board. I confess my sins and you guys keep me on the path I need to follow.

I appreciate you guys following my log and thanks for the input.

 

[Beergut75]

Especially on the road. I get it. Maybe look into beef jerky if you need a quick snack. A little high in sodium but also good on protein. That and various nuts such as almonds will fill you up and are healthy. Lots of good fibrous material to clean you out!

that is what i did today. I was on the road for about 6 hrs and i ate a can of Tuna, some Almonds, and had 1oz of beef jerky over the period of 6 hrs. Drank half a gallon of water and a Gatorade G2 for some flavor.

 

[TaoPhD]

that is what i did today. I was on the road for about 6 hrs and i ate a can of Tuna, some Almonds, and had 1oz of beef jerky over the period of 6 hrs. Drank half a gallon of water and a Gatorade G2 for some flavor.

Much better. I am in the habit of reading labels for nutrients and ingredients. My kids hate it but it helps also. Try finding food that has less than 10 ingredients that will help whittle down the precessed foods you may be eating.

 

[flex001]

Where did the EQ come into play? Meaning, why did you add it? I'm just not a fan of it at all and I'm just wondering your thinking behind that decision. To me, there are much better AAS out there.

For size add Dbol or Deca and Test. For Cutting add Anavar or Test, Tren and maybe some Mast. Some use Winstrol but not me due to joint issues. EQ to me isn't worth the quick increase in RBC that it's known to cause and it's said to be pretty similar to Deca with the exception of its RBC effects. I opt for Deca.

 

[Beergut75]

Much better. I am in the habit of reading labels for nutrients and ingredients. My kids hate it but it helps also. Try finding food that has less than 10 ingredients that will help whittle down the precessed foods you may be eating.

when I raced my rule was nothing that was more than 3 steps from the earth. I need to get back to that. I sometimes grab a protein bad or Muscle Milk and here lately the woman has been packing me a lunch.

The Texas trip with the kiddos was rough. They want Chic Fila so i get a salad and grilled nuggets.

Ahh what the hell I'm just making excuses. I know what I need to do I'm just not doing it. Even with the cheat meals I have had my calorie intake has never spiked over 2,000 for a day so i still feel like I should be 180-185 by now. It just seems like my body is dead set on 193-195.