First Cycle Help: Oral Turinabol

[fear_zone]

Hi everyone. I have followed steroid forums for a while but never felt that it was necessary to create an account. Following my recent men's physique competition, I have decided that it is time to step-over to the dark side and compete in more serious, untested competitions. I am 24 years old and have been lifting consistently for 3/4 years. My current weight is around 83kg and ~12% body fat at 6'1". Every piece of knowledge I've acquired in regards to training and dieting comes from experience as well as a trial-and-error approach. I know the first comments that I will get are "Why don't you want to inject?" or "Do a test only cycle as your first." To briefly get this out of the way - my current living situation in-allows me to be discrete about injections (as much as I see the potential benefits of such cycle over an oral one). Now to get to the point, I plan on running a Turinabol only cycle for 6 weeks at 60mg e/d (potentially bump up to 80mg e/d depending on the severity of pumps). I know most guys start out at 40mg e/d but I have been informed that Turinabol (at least my brand) tends to be 20-30% under-dosed. Due to its short half life, I would split the dose 12 hours apart (11am - shortly before a workout, 11pm - before bed). I've read that some struggle to sleep when they take T-bol too close to bed time so I'd like to hear peoples' opinions on this. I would run a 4 week PCT of clomid and nolva with an overlap on the last week. The dosing would be as follows:
50/50/25/25 - Clomid
40/40/20/20 - Nolva

My current split is push/pull/legs/push/pull/legs (6 days) and contains a variation of compound strength sets, and moderate weight 8-12 rep isolation movements.

I realise that this steroid is mainly used in cutting cycles, but I plan to use it on a reasonably clean bulk. Details of my diet are found below:

Meal 1
Banana x2 – 210 kcal, 54g carbs, 0.8g fat, 2.6g protein
Blueberries 80g – 55kcal, 11.6g carbs, 0.6g protein
30g peanut butter – 180kcal, 3.6g carbs, 13.8g fat, 9g protein
+ water and blend

Meal 2
150g uncooked fusilli – 530kcal, 2.3g fat, 107.9g carbs, 17g protein
tuna – 125kcal, 16.2g protein
low fat mayo 1 tablespoon – 40kcal, 3.9g fat, 0.9g carbs
200g cherry tomatoes – 40kcal, 6.2g carbs, 1.4g protein
Wild rocket 60g – 18kcal, 2.2g protein

Meal 3
1 scoop protein – 103kcal, 1.9g fat, 1g carbs, 21g protein
250g fage 0% yog – 130kcal, 25g protein, 10g carbs
30g peanut butter – 180kcal, 3.6g carbs, 13.8g fat, 9g protein
1 banana – 105kcal, 27g carbs, 0.4g fat, 1.3g protein
+ water and blend

Meal 4
Chicken 400g – 388 kcal, 88g protein, 1.6g fat
brown rice 250g – 402kcal, 78g carbs, 4.8g fat, 9.6g protein
200g cherry tomatoes – 40kcal, 6.2g carbs, 1.4g protein
100g babyleaf spinach – 24kcal, 1.2g carbs, 2.8g protein
150g avocado (1) – 300kcal, 30g fat, 3g carbs, 3g protein
lime juice (1-2 table spoons) – insignificant

Overall:
2870kcal
73.3g fat
314.2g carbs
209.7g protein

As you can tell, I like to calculate things to a high degree of precision and I want to maximise the potential of this cycle. I would love to hear opinions from the more experienced members of the forum to make sure I'm good to go (and if not, why?). I also have some questions regarding the correct liver support (supplements and dosages?) and some hair protection recommendations as genetically I am prone to hair loss (naturally thin hair, family member ran test e. and hair started falling out). Gyno seems not to be a problem with T-bol so I will not worry about AIs.

Any critique would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

 

[Gbro]

So, you're expert research has convinced you to run an oral only cycle?

 

[fear_zone]

So, you're expert research has convinced you to run an oral only cycle?

No. I'm aware that injectable cycles produce better results at a lower risk of side-effects than oral ones. However, if you read my post you would know exactly why I have chosen to go with an oral only cycle. There's no question that a basic Test e. cycle is the best option for new steroid users and that is exactly what I would be taking if my situation permitted it.

 

[Ironlord]

So, you're expert research has convinced you to run an oral only cycle?

Nearly everyone should always run a test cycle to start, even test only would get you results. If you'd researched as much as you say, you'd have learned this. Why did you decide oral only?

 

[Ironlord]

Your current living situation does or doesn't allow you to be discrete about injections? You wouldn't be the first guy pinning at work or the gym or their partners house. Where there's a will there's a way.

 

[fear_zone]

Your current living situation does or doesn't allow you to be discrete about injections? You wouldn't be the first guy pinning at work or the gym or their partners house. Where there's a will there's a way.

Ironlord that is true, and I really appreciate your advice. Initially I was in fact going to run test e. but when planning I came to the conclusion that there was just no possible way for me to carry out the injections. I will definitely rethink this but I think the problem is that since I've never done AAS, I can't quite picture the complexity and difficulty of the injections due to lack of experience with them (e.g. places and times where I could be discrete about pinning).

 

[sin]

Are you really 17 and don't want your parents catching you with steroids so you're ordering orals you can pass off as supplements?

If not, figure it out. Been secretly Pinning for a couple years, it's not that hard. Harder to explain how I gained 25 in 3 months than hiding my pinning.

 

[ScabbyJr]

I ran tbol @ 60 mg a day for almost 6 weeks. I gained 5 clean dry lbs on it. But I'm on a trt dose of test so it complimented it. Got a nice strength boost from it, noticeable increase in pumps and it did disturb my sleep. Your results may vary but I think youre not going to see much from what you're planning.

 

[Ironlord]

Agree with @ScabbyJr
You're not going to gain enough on that oral cycle to justify the damage to your body, toxicity wise.
It's different if you're gaining 15-20 lbs, but you can gain 5lbs naturally in a month just by increasing your eating

 

[Maktub]

I know every body says do add test to your cycle or do a solo test cycle .
Any ways everybody starts one way or another .

T bol works great a solid 6 weeks will show some gains .
About the pct just pick one . Your oral cycle is not that heavy so you can save some serms for later .

 

[fear_zone]

I know every body says do add test to your cycle or do a solo test cycle .
Any ways everybody starts one way or another .

T bol works great a solid 6 weeks will show some gains .
About the pct just pick one . Your oral cycle is not that heavy so you can save some serms for later .

Great, thanks for the advice. What would you recommend for liver protection?

 

[warlordishere]

Great, thanks for the advice. What would you recommend for liver protection?

You have quite a few options. UDCA or Tudca. Grape seed extract,dandelion root,burdock root. Liv52,milk thistle And ALA won't help,they will help with AST and ALT levels but they won't do anything to combat bilirubin and high bilirubin levels lead to jaundice.

 

[master.on]

Hi everyone. I have followed steroid forums for a while but never felt that it was necessary to create an account. Following my recent men's physique competition, I have decided that it is time to step-over to the dark side and compete in more serious, untested competitions. I am 24 years old and have been lifting consistently for 3/4 years. My current weight is around 83kg and ~12% body fat at 6'1". Every piece of knowledge I've acquired in regards to training and dieting comes from experience as well as a trial-and-error approach. I know the first comments that I will get are "Why don't you want to inject?" or "Do a test only cycle as your first." To briefly get this out of the way - my current living situation in-allows me to be discrete about injections (as much as I see the potential benefits of such cycle over an oral one). Now to get to the point, I plan on running a Turinabol only cycle for 6 weeks at 60mg e/d (potentially bump up to 80mg e/d depending on the severity of pumps). I know most guys start out at 40mg e/d but I have been informed that Turinabol (at least my brand) tends to be 20-30% under-dosed. Due to its short half life, I would split the dose 12 hours apart (11am - shortly before a workout, 11pm - before bed). I've read that some struggle to sleep when they take T-bol too close to bed time so I'd like to hear peoples' opinions on this. I would run a 4 week PCT of clomid and nolva with an overlap on the last week. The dosing would be as follows:
50/50/25/25 - Clomid
40/40/20/20 - Nolva

My current split is push/pull/legs/push/pull/legs (6 days) and contains a variation of compound strength sets, and moderate weight 8-12 rep isolation movements.

I realise that this steroid is mainly used in cutting cycles, but I plan to use it on a reasonably clean bulk. Details of my diet are found below:

Meal 1
Banana x2 – 210 kcal, 54g carbs, 0.8g fat, 2.6g protein
Blueberries 80g – 55kcal, 11.6g carbs, 0.6g protein
30g peanut butter – 180kcal, 3.6g carbs, 13.8g fat, 9g protein
+ water and blend

Meal 2
150g uncooked fusilli – 530kcal, 2.3g fat, 107.9g carbs, 17g protein
tuna – 125kcal, 16.2g protein
low fat mayo 1 tablespoon – 40kcal, 3.9g fat, 0.9g carbs
200g cherry tomatoes – 40kcal, 6.2g carbs, 1.4g protein
Wild rocket 60g – 18kcal, 2.2g protein

Meal 3
1 scoop protein – 103kcal, 1.9g fat, 1g carbs, 21g protein
250g fage 0% yog – 130kcal, 25g protein, 10g carbs
30g peanut butter – 180kcal, 3.6g carbs, 13.8g fat, 9g protein
1 banana – 105kcal, 27g carbs, 0.4g fat, 1.3g protein
+ water and blend

Meal 4
Chicken 400g – 388 kcal, 88g protein, 1.6g fat
brown rice 250g – 402kcal, 78g carbs, 4.8g fat, 9.6g protein
200g cherry tomatoes – 40kcal, 6.2g carbs, 1.4g protein
100g babyleaf spinach – 24kcal, 1.2g carbs, 2.8g protein
150g avocado (1) – 300kcal, 30g fat, 3g carbs, 3g protein
lime juice (1-2 table spoons) – insignificant

Overall:
2870kcal
73.3g fat
314.2g carbs
209.7g protein

As you can tell, I like to calculate things to a high degree of precision and I want to maximise the potential of this cycle. I would love to hear opinions from the more experienced members of the forum to make sure I'm good to go (and if not, why?). I also have some questions regarding the correct liver support (supplements and dosages?) and some hair protection recommendations as genetically I am prone to hair loss (naturally thin hair, family member ran test e. and hair started falling out). Gyno seems not to be a problem with T-bol so I will not worry about AIs.

Any critique would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

Oral-only cycles only work fine for GIRLS
because they need lower dosages/milder steroids
not so for dudes

Accept you'll have to inject or forget about using steroids altogether.
And positively
sterile filter ALL injectables purchased in the black market.

 

[Ripped]

Great, thanks for the advice. What would you recommend for liver protection?

Drink plenty of water that's it the other stuff really has no kind of backing whatever most say it's just snake oil.

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[fear_zone]

How is my diet looking in regards to a steroid bulking cycle? Is the surplus high enough to make the most out of it or should I increase it into the 3k range like most do?

 

[Test_Subject]

If your circumstances don't allow you to do things properly, don't cycle.
It's as easy as that.

You're going to end up supressing your HPTA and straining your liver for very little gains.

 

[Big Boss]

Oral only cycles are crap for many reasons.
1) you can't stay on orals very long without some serious health risks, 4-8 weeks depending on the compound
2) orals are anabolic and bind to receptors, thus supressing your bodies test production.
3) orals are not testosterone , so when they supress you, they don't replace your bodies test
4) test does not protect the liver, it helps make the liver damage more worth it.
5)you need liver protection bc oral steroids must survive passing through the liverinorder to enter the blood stream. When they pass through your liver, they damage your liver.
6) by doing an oral only cycle, you are basically shouting to the world, "I'M IGNORANT. I KNOW MORE THAN EVERYONE"