First Cycle (made by my coach)

[terieh]

Hey everybody!

So I asked a coach that has experience to guide me for my first cycle.

Natty guy here, 5 7', 170lbs, bf 15%, 26y old

He wants me to.

Test E. 500mg/week week 1-10
Turinabol 40mg/day week 1-2 and week 9-10-11-12
Aromasin 6.25mg M-W-F-SUN Week 1-12
Cabergoline (had high prolactine on my blood tests as natty) 0.125mg Monday & Thursday Week 1-12
Ovitrelle HCG 250ui 3 days per week - Mon & Wed & Frid Week 1-13

PCT
Tamox
Week 13 & 14 - 40mg/d
Week 15 - 30mg/d
Week 16 & 17 - 20mg/d
Week 18 - 10mg/d

Clomid

Week 13 & 14 - 150mg/d
Week 15 - 75mg/d
Week 16 & 17 - 50mg/d
Week 18 - 25mg/d

No mesterolone (Proviron)

As I said, i am natty and know a little about all of this, but i've been reading a lot and i find.

Test -> I should be good with 300, maybe ending with 350 or 400 at max?
Tamox & Clomid -> High quantity from the very begging when cutting my cycle.
Ovitrelle -> High quantity, i've seen some people get 250ui per week instead of 750ui.
No Mesterolone. (He says i don't need it)

So yeah thats all the questions i have and i would like some knowledge from more experienced people.


Table for a clearer view ->
View: https://i.imgur.com/97b23qC.png


Thanks you very much!!

 

[Rido]

Your coach is questionable.

if you have high prolactin at baseline, it may be good to see a doctor to rule out a tumor. prolactinomas?

telling you to take ancillaries for elevated prolactin and AI without even seeing labs

why the hell would he have you start TBOL? Kick start? its your first cycle and you wont know what is going wrong.


Any medications?

 

[terieh]

Your coach is questionable.

if you have high prolactin at baseline, it may be good to see a doctor to rule out a tumor. prolactinomas?

telling you to take ancillaries for elevated prolactin and AI without even seeing labs

why the hell would he have you start TBOL? Kick start? its your first cycle and you wont know what is going wrong.


Any medications?

I went to do a lot of checkings, because at first we saw T3 was in the higher range, went to a endocrine and did more tests (it was because i was overtrained 6x per week for 6 months, 1 month of good rest and everything is perfect just prolactine is in high range (inside range btw) but nothing to worry about.

He wanted to kick start with TBOL, he chose this instead of Oxandrolone, idk why.

I don't take any medications.

 

[Rido]

I went to do a lot of checkings, because at first we saw T3 was in the higher range, went to a endocrine and did more tests (it was because i was overtrained 6x per week for 6 months, 1 month of good rest and everything is perfect just prolactine is in high range but nothing to worry about.

He wanted to kick start with TBOL, he chose this instead of Oxandrolone, idk why.

I don't take any medications.

I guess kick starts are always preference based. I dont see much of a point.
its up to you

atleast you got checked.

Is prolactin elevated beyond normal?

should post labs.

are you paying him btw?

 

[terieh]

I guess kick starts are always preference based. I dont see much of a point.
its up to you

atleast you got checked.

Is prolactin elevated beyond normal?

should post labs.

are you paying him btw?

Before, my prolactin was in a 'normal' range.

After a month of resting a lot and working out a lot less (2-3times per week instead of 6, more diet and a lot of vit supplements)

Prolactin was out of range. It is weird that when resting a lot more my prolactin was higher than before.

This higher report is 1 week old.

 

[Rido]

Before, my prolactin was in a 'normal' range.

After a month of resting a lot and working out a lot less (2-3times per week instead of 6, more diet and a lot of vit supplements)

Prolactin was out of range. It is weird that when resting a lot more my prolactin was higher than before.

This higher report is 1 week old.

IDK. I dont think caber is the best idea for a normal prolactin...

nor do I think planning to do an AI without bloods is either.

but you are paying him. so might as well follow what he says I guess.


just treating something that may or may not be causing an issue.

 

[terieh]

IDK. I dont think caber is the best idea for a normal prolactin...

nor do I think planning to do an AI without bloods is either.

but you are paying him. so might as well follow what he says I guess.


just treating something that may or may not be causing an issue.

My prolactine was outside the range 1 week ago with a month of a good rest.
I don't really know much about Cabergoline. But seems the dose is 'little' 0.125mg monday & thursday.

What do you mean with AI? I got fully tested twice before doing anything. We've seen my body was catabolic and we let it rest for a full month.

Then after the last report we are good to go i guess.

My questions were towards doses, i find test to be excessive for my first test, a lot of tamox & clomid on the first weeks, somehow a excess of hcg and no mesterolone

 

[Rido]

My prolactine was outside the range 1 week ago with a month of a good rest.
I don't really know much about Cabergoline. But seems the dose is 'little' 0.125mg monday & thursday.

What do you mean with AI? I got fully tested twice before doing anything. We've seen my body was catabolic and we let it rest for a full month.

Then after the last report we are good to go i guess.

My questions were towards doses, i find test to be excessive for my first test, a lot of tamox & clomid on the first weeks, somehow a excess of hcg and no mesterolone

AI is aromatase inhibitor.

Aromasin 3x a week. I dont see why add something that may or may not be necessary. a dose that low wont hurt but I dont think you should take that without obtaining labs on blast and seeing where you are.


I dont think the 500mg dosing is for everyone. I think 350-400mg is a safe decision for most people. but that is my opinion. Plenty of people here would advise for the higher dose. General consensus for most I would say is in the range of 300-500.

I dont know too much about PCT but would follow off of Dr. Scally's PCT protocol. if I was to look for something

I dont understand why you would want proviron(mesterolone)? What are you hoping to achieve with it?

the HCG dosing seems fine. I would probably opt for 500 a week but to each their own.

 

[terieh]

AI is aromatase inhibitor.

Aromasin 3x a week. I dont see why add something that may or may not be necessary. a dose that low wont hurt but I dont think you should take that without obtaining labs on blast and seeing where you are.


I dont think the 500mg dosing is for everyone. I think 350-400mg is a safe decision for most people. but that is my opinion. Plenty of people here would advise for the higher dose. General consensus for most I would say is in the range of 300-500.

I dont know too much about PCT but would follow off of Dr. Scally's PCT protocol. if I was to look for something

I dont understand why you would want proviron(mesterolone)? What are you hoping to achieve with it?

the HCG dosing seems fine. I would probably opt for 500 a week but to each their own.

Yeah I agree with you with the AI.

I also think 500mg for me, that i just want to look 'bigger' aesthetic is a lot.

I've read that with proviron you look dry, vascularize and have a lot of sexual stamina. No downsides, no side effects, thats why.

Also read that with 500 a week (2x 250ui) should be good with that dose and for my first cycle.

Just wanted opinions from other people.

 

[Rido]

Yeah I agree with you with the AI.

I also think 500mg for me, that i just want to look 'bigger' aesthetic is a lot.

I've read that with proviron you look dry, vascularize and have a lot of sexual stamina. No downsides, no side effects, thats why.

Also read that with 500 a week (2x 250ui) should be good with that dose and for my first cycle.

Just wanted opinions from other people.

You aren't gonna grow that fast to big body builder status, and if you did, you would be blessed

You can only grow so much at a time. Whether its 400 test, or 2grams of test. There is a limit to speed of growth.

Post cycle you will shrink down into an "aesthetic look" after a few cycles.
500 would hardly make you blow up.

Proviron gets deactivated by an enzyme when it hits the muscle.

I have it at home. Maybe use it every now and then when I'm gonna fuck, but overall I wouldn't think much of it.

 

[narta]

Your coach is definitely my age, but stuck in the way of the 90s dosing, kickstart and pct.

AI with no bloods and caber on top for in range prolactin.

If I were you I 'd find a different coach that can read research and get with the times.

 

[terieh]

Your coach is definitely my age, but stuck in the way of the 90s dosing, kickstart and pct.

AI with no bloods and caber on top for in range prolactin.

If I were you I 'd find a different coach that can read research and get with the times.

Yes he's kinda old somewhere his 45-50s.

Having my prolactine outside the range (only a little bit higher isn't a reason to be using cabergoline?)

Yeah, I find it strange to be taking Arimidex without having some bloods but its a super low dose spread out during the week.

You aren't gonna grow that fast to big body builder status, and if you did, you would be blessed

You can only grow so much at a time. Whether its 400 test, or 2grams of test. There is a limit to speed of growth.

Post cycle you will shrink down into an "aesthetic look" after a few cycles.
500 would hardly make you blow up.

Proviron gets deactivated by an enzyme when it hits the muscle.

I have it at home. Maybe use it every now and then when I'm gonna fuck, but overall I wouldn't think much of it.

So you don't recommend using Proviron either. I can almost get everything from Pharma except Test & TBol.

 

[Demondosage]

Honestly doesn’t look like a bad protocol to me, my only issue is your PCT seems excessive and too long

 

[narta]

Yes he's kinda old somewhere his 45-50s.

Called it

Having my prolactine outside the range (only a little bit higher isn't a reason to be using cabergoline?)

Yeah, I find it strange to be taking Arimidex without having some bloods but its a super low dose spread out during the week.

Caber is harsh and not first line of defense. For such a value p5p is more viable and not intrusive.

AI is not adex but aromasin. It's a suicide inhibitor and not needed without proper blood work. Do you even know how much you aromitize?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Tbol is a shit bodybuilding drug and the kickstart is dumb.

Your PCT starts too early and you'll still be suppressed by T when you stop hcg/start the orals.

Taking ancillaries for baseline prolactin is not a great idea as is prescribing an AI dose without bloodwork. Also usually unnecessary to take so frequently. Where the fuck are you getting 6.25mg from? Aromasin pills are near spherical and a bitch to cut..

 

[DeXXXLarge]

Before, my prolactin was in a 'normal' range.

After a month of resting a lot and working out a lot less (2-3times per week instead of 6, more diet and a lot of vit supplements)

Prolactin was out of range. It is weird that when resting a lot more my prolactin was higher than before.

This higher report is 1 week old.

Am I wrong or these look like Barcelona CAP blood analysis ? LOL

 

[Demondosage]

Tbol is a shit bodybuilding drug and the kickstart is dumb.

Your PCT starts too early and you'll still be suppressed by T when you stop hcg/start the orals.

Taking ancillaries for baseline prolactin is not a great idea as is prescribing an AI dose without bloodwork. Also usually unnecessary to take so frequently. Where the fuck are you getting 6.25mg from? Aromasin pills are near spherical and a bitch to cut..

I’m assuming he’s using the liquid which is typically 25mg or 12.5mg per ml

 

[Mac11wildcat]

I’m assuming he’s using the liquid which is typically 25mg or 12.5mg per ml

Fair point. In that case I'd be skeptical of the dosage given liquid and UGL.

 

[terieh]

Honestly doesn’t look like a bad protocol to me, my only issue is your PCT seems excessive and too long

Thanks you! He told me that was 'preeliminary' PCT.

Called it

Caber is harsh and not first line of defense. For such a value p5p is more viable and not intrusive.

AI is not adex but aromasin. It's a suicide inhibitor and not needed without proper blood work. Do you even know how much you aromitize?

I'll ask him about the P5P, from a first check, it seems it is some kind of vitamin.

No, I don't know how much im gonna aromatize. It is my first cycle to yeah, im kinda virgin to feelings & such.

Tbol is a shit bodybuilding drug and the kickstart is dumb.

Your PCT starts too early and you'll still be suppressed by T when you stop hcg/start the orals.

Taking ancillaries for baseline prolactin is not a great idea as is prescribing an AI dose without bloodwork. Also usually unnecessary to take so frequently. Where the fuck are you getting 6.25mg from? Aromasin pills are near spherical and a bitch to cut..

Told him to maybe put Anavar instead of TBol but he told me it doesn't matter which one i really use.

Im using Aromasin pills from Bayer, so yeah, I don't know how im gonna cut them. Maybe i should stick with 12.5mg monday & 12.5 thursday?

Am I wrong or these look like Barcelona CAP blood analysis ? LOL

You're not wrong

Fair point. In that case I'd be skeptical of the dosage given liquid and UGL.

Pills from Bayer, i might cut them in half and take 12.5m monday 12.5m thursd

 

[Millard]

Prolactin was out of range. It is weird that when resting a lot more my prolactin was higher than before.

My prolactine was outside the range 1 week ago with a month of a good rest.

Having my prolactine outside the range (only a little bit higher isn't a reason to be using cabergoline?)

Your prolactin levels have remained essentially unchanged - 15.74 vs 16.3 mcg/dl.

The only thing that changed significantly was the reference range:

3.46 - 19.4 mcg/dl
vs
2.6 - 13.1 mcg/dl

I don't know why. Different testing method, different reference range?