janoshik
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As little as filling in your age in the questionnaire can mean significant adjustment of the reference ranges. Or using a different lab.
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janoshik
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Suggesting 150 mg clomid and 40 mg tamoxifen is borderline criminal by itself, imo.
I'd ignore your coach completely. You're 170lbs, bf 15% and he wants to put you on 7 different drugs, some in absurdly high dosages.
Do you have prolactin based issues? No? Why caber then?
Do you have high E2 issues? No? How do you know it will cause you issues? Why pre-emptive use of another drug?
Why two different anabolics for a first cycle? If you start having side effect related issues, which one you'll know to avoid?
That's literally the opposite of harm reduction.
I'd ignore your coach completely. You're 170lbs, bf 15% and he wants to put you on 7 different drugs, some in absurdly high dosages.
Do you have prolactin based issues? No? Why caber then?
Do you have high E2 issues? No? How do you know it will cause you issues? Why pre-emptive use of another drug?
Why two different anabolics for a first cycle? If you start having side effect related issues, which one you'll know to avoid?
That's literally the opposite of harm reduction.
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Tbol was specifically designed for athletes seeking to exploit all the benefits of AAS without the added muscle size because extra muscle bulk is considered a liability in many sports. Yet that liability is what bodybuilders seek most out of AAS!!
janoshik
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Designed might be too much of an euphemism.
To my understanding, back then, when developing AAS they basically threw shit at a wall and looked at what stuck. Once it did, they experimentally verified the properties and based on those results the athletes used it.
For sure. Maybe a bit of luck too. I don't know (remember?) how many AAS candidates they tried with GDR athletes. Much of the state plan research has been released.
Holy shit I didn't even see the 150 clomid. 6 weeks on clomid is also absolutely unnecessary but probably required when you rush into pct before test clears.
@terieh If you paid for a month, eat the L. If you paid for several, let a month go and ask for a refund for the rest. Your coach is absolute shit.
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Rido
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Is this an online coach btw?
VaDImadi
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150 clomid lol
Side effects incoming
Side effects incoming
Rido
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VaDImadi
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He's probably made it he cycle himself and pretending a coach made it
VaDImadi
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Rido
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I was kidding lol. I Edited the original post now
terieh
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Yes. The 15.74 was a private lab report.
The other one was a public report 'made by my endocrino' because he told me he would like to retest the values on a public lab instead of a private one.
terieh
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1- He told me my prolactin might be an issue in the cycle.
2- He told me Arimidex will be a good anti estrogen and taken on low doses will be better than not taking anything.
3- Thats what i told him. Maybe a first test e 300mg week per x12 weeks then cut and start the pct so we can evaluate how my first cycle went and from that maybe add something in some months. But he wanted to add TBol or Anavar also on pills as a kickstart. I also don't know why he would like to add TBol instead of Anavar.
Do you think Anavar might be a better one than Tbol?
Yes. I've also told him that 150 clomid is a shitton, he told me that we would reevaluate dosis per sentiment on how my body feels afterall.
I've paid for 6 months of cycle, training & diet.
320 for all 6 months
Yes it is an online coach.
Yes I also think 150 is a lot. I've read 40clomid is more than enough and 20 tamox also is a 'normal dose'
No. I didn't made it, I've read a lot of info on forums and I probably have made a better stable cycle I think.
I would have done.
Week 1-12
Test E 300mg/week (SP Labs)
Arimidex - Just in case. If I need to use it. Maybe 12.5mg Mon - 12.5mg Thurs
Ovitrelle - 500ui / Week - 250ui Mon - 250ui Thurs
Proviron - 25mg E2D
I would cut test injections Week 10
Week 12-14
Clomid 50mg/d
Tamox 20mg/d
Week 14-16
Clomid 25mg/d
Tamox 10mg/d
But I don't know much about, thats why I paid for an 'online coach'
terieh
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Started this week.
1st injection of 225mg of Test E (quads)
I wasn't able to walk properly the first 3 days, now im good.
2n injection of 175mg of Test E (the other quad)
Kinda ok, seems my body know recognized it better than on the first one. It also has inflamation but i can handle it.
Turinabol 4 times per day (1 morning, 2 pre workout 2h before, 1 at night 10mg doses per pill)
This night I was so rested with just 5.30h of sleep.
I don't know if it is just mental or test is starting to kick in. Turinabol isn't that great, i can feel it a bit but not that strong as i thought i would be, but it really helped me to eat a lot more.
Will keep updating
1st injection of 225mg of Test E (quads)
I wasn't able to walk properly the first 3 days, now im good.
2n injection of 175mg of Test E (the other quad)
Kinda ok, seems my body know recognized it better than on the first one. It also has inflamation but i can handle it.
Turinabol 4 times per day (1 morning, 2 pre workout 2h before, 1 at night 10mg doses per pill)
This night I was so rested with just 5.30h of sleep.
I don't know if it is just mental or test is starting to kick in. Turinabol isn't that great, i can feel it a bit but not that strong as i thought i would be, but it really helped me to eat a lot more.
Will keep updating
mindgame1516
Member
Ive used TBol before. Tried it instead of dbol. I mean i will say the days i took tbol a few hours before the gym i literally felt like i can workout all day and dident really get fatigued. As opposed to when i stopped tbol and continued 200mg test a week. I definitely did gain strength. It wasent much of a mass builder but i liked it. As opposed to dbol.... dbol really gives your muscles a full look and also gives you lots of energy. Id go with Dbol. But also i interested in giving tbol another whirl at 50mg
RaddishPork
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Does OP feel like absolute dog shit yet?
That cycle was atrocious. Preemptively taking AI and Caber before even getting bloods on cycle when saturated. Big OOF.
Just take test man. If your dick goes limp and you cry at rescue dog commercials, take an AI. Most people's prolactin doesn't spike up from test alone. Not to mention, high prolactin isn't a huge issue for a few weeks if you aren't getting symptoms from it. The reference RANGE is not set in stone. Some people have different levels and feel just fine. There are 7 billion people on the planet. You think everyone has their hormones in the exact same ranges? No.
That cycle was atrocious. Preemptively taking AI and Caber before even getting bloods on cycle when saturated. Big OOF.
Just take test man. If your dick goes limp and you cry at rescue dog commercials, take an AI. Most people's prolactin doesn't spike up from test alone. Not to mention, high prolactin isn't a huge issue for a few weeks if you aren't getting symptoms from it. The reference RANGE is not set in stone. Some people have different levels and feel just fine. There are 7 billion people on the planet. You think everyone has their hormones in the exact same ranges? No.
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All Nats McGee
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300mg isn’t worth. I would do 400mg and if you’re using HCG I do think the ai needs to be included. Your PCT is so wack and you would experience so many side effects at those dosages.
You just need nolva at 20mg for 4 weeks. You’re gonna recover very easy on your first cycle. Prolactin is normal at 16 and not a big deal.
You just need nolva at 20mg for 4 weeks. You’re gonna recover very easy on your first cycle. Prolactin is normal at 16 and not a big deal.
Deadp007
Well-known Member
So it doesn't have any place in BB?
Won't it increase strength which allows the lifter to cause more muscle damage, allowing other compounds to facilitate hypertrophy? Plus no bloat or estrogen sides?
But if you say it's shit....I gotta believe that.
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