George Twain
New Member
Hi all,
I am looking at doing my first cycle. First, a brief background and reasons for using PED. I am an ex-athlete and have been dealing with nagging injuries for the better part of 4 years, while also struggling to stay in shape as the injuries are quite demotivating (I sprained my ankle pretty bad 4 years ago and haven't been able to sprint since, nor jog, even walking can be painful sometimes. I have also have minor wrist, finger, and shoulder injuries.)
Thus, this summer I really want to get healthy and get back in shape, ideally to where I was back in my peak athletic form. This was squatting 400+ with a 350+ Bench-press and a 4.5 40yd dash. Thus, I have turned to PED's to expedite the process of getting in shape (fat-loss + lean mass gain) as well as injury recovery (ligament/tendon repair, etc.)
This is why I have opted to go with a "stack" of Hgh and Test-E. My goals are fat-loss and (very)lean muscle mass. I am not so much aimed at building size; I do not have body-building aspirations, though I would still like to build a decent amount of mass.
It seems that a reasonable dosage schedule would be 400 Test-E combined with 4Iu of HGH(I am going to be using Jeotropin), cycling Test-E for 12 weeks and HGH for 16-24 weeks. I chose the dosages at (400/4) based on what I read, which suggested that 100/1 was a good ratio. I went for 4IU HGH as this seems to be the ideal dosage for what my goals are. I went for 400 Test as I was told that when cycling Test with HGH, you don't need as much Test. (Thoughts on this claim?)
Also, with regards to the length of the HGH cycle (I will be posting this on the peptide thread as well), I have seen contradicting claims over the ideal length. Some say 6 months minimum, some say no more than 16 weeks (~4months) for a first-time user. Some say less, some say more. Anyone confident they can clear this up for me? I am not interested in any of side-effects of HGH, primarily acromegaly, so I don't want to take it for longer than necessary for my desired goals.
The PCT I haven't quite settled on yet. But I was thinking 2 Weeks OFF, then 3 weeks of Nova. From what I gather, running the HgH through the OFF and PCT phase might alter structure of a typical PCT without HGh. Though I have had trouble finding information on this. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.
I am also going to get blood tests before cycle starts, midway, and post PCT.
Does this seem to make sense to you all? Thoughts, concerns, suggestions?
Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Post-Script:
1. I am 26yrs old, 5'8, 190lbs. male.
2. Yes, this is my first cycle and yes I have read that one should only use Test for their first cycle. However, this would not provide the benefits I am looking for as Test alone may put extra strain on my prior injuries rather than help them recover.
3. Yes, I have tried physio and other methods of injury recovery.
4. Yes, I know HGH is expensive, and yes I know it won't produce an economical amount of muscle gain for the price.
5. Yes, I know that HGH is not a miracle drug that will heal any long-term injury
6. Yes, I know that typically a cycle is focused on either cutting or bulking.
7. Yes, I know that this particular cycle, namely combing HGH and Test, is not recommended for a first time user.
8. Yes, I have looked up the side-effects of each and have done extensive research.
9. Yes, I know that I should get in better shape first with simple dieting and training before turning to PED.
PPS: If you can figure the names of the two people which comprise my username. You are cool.
I am looking at doing my first cycle. First, a brief background and reasons for using PED. I am an ex-athlete and have been dealing with nagging injuries for the better part of 4 years, while also struggling to stay in shape as the injuries are quite demotivating (I sprained my ankle pretty bad 4 years ago and haven't been able to sprint since, nor jog, even walking can be painful sometimes. I have also have minor wrist, finger, and shoulder injuries.)
Thus, this summer I really want to get healthy and get back in shape, ideally to where I was back in my peak athletic form. This was squatting 400+ with a 350+ Bench-press and a 4.5 40yd dash. Thus, I have turned to PED's to expedite the process of getting in shape (fat-loss + lean mass gain) as well as injury recovery (ligament/tendon repair, etc.)
This is why I have opted to go with a "stack" of Hgh and Test-E. My goals are fat-loss and (very)lean muscle mass. I am not so much aimed at building size; I do not have body-building aspirations, though I would still like to build a decent amount of mass.
It seems that a reasonable dosage schedule would be 400 Test-E combined with 4Iu of HGH(I am going to be using Jeotropin), cycling Test-E for 12 weeks and HGH for 16-24 weeks. I chose the dosages at (400/4) based on what I read, which suggested that 100/1 was a good ratio. I went for 4IU HGH as this seems to be the ideal dosage for what my goals are. I went for 400 Test as I was told that when cycling Test with HGH, you don't need as much Test. (Thoughts on this claim?)
Also, with regards to the length of the HGH cycle (I will be posting this on the peptide thread as well), I have seen contradicting claims over the ideal length. Some say 6 months minimum, some say no more than 16 weeks (~4months) for a first-time user. Some say less, some say more. Anyone confident they can clear this up for me? I am not interested in any of side-effects of HGH, primarily acromegaly, so I don't want to take it for longer than necessary for my desired goals.
The PCT I haven't quite settled on yet. But I was thinking 2 Weeks OFF, then 3 weeks of Nova. From what I gather, running the HgH through the OFF and PCT phase might alter structure of a typical PCT without HGh. Though I have had trouble finding information on this. Any advice on this would be greatly appreciated.
I am also going to get blood tests before cycle starts, midway, and post PCT.
Does this seem to make sense to you all? Thoughts, concerns, suggestions?
Any comments would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.
Post-Script:
1. I am 26yrs old, 5'8, 190lbs. male.
2. Yes, this is my first cycle and yes I have read that one should only use Test for their first cycle. However, this would not provide the benefits I am looking for as Test alone may put extra strain on my prior injuries rather than help them recover.
3. Yes, I have tried physio and other methods of injury recovery.
4. Yes, I know HGH is expensive, and yes I know it won't produce an economical amount of muscle gain for the price.
5. Yes, I know that HGH is not a miracle drug that will heal any long-term injury
6. Yes, I know that typically a cycle is focused on either cutting or bulking.
7. Yes, I know that this particular cycle, namely combing HGH and Test, is not recommended for a first time user.
8. Yes, I have looked up the side-effects of each and have done extensive research.
9. Yes, I know that I should get in better shape first with simple dieting and training before turning to PED.
PPS: If you can figure the names of the two people which comprise my username. You are cool.
