First Cycle

[Leprechaun]

Either way I would like to try. The biggest thing I am looking at Right now is keeping my scholarship, a full ride for swimming. It has been threatened to me and I've trained and dieted harder than anyone on the team. The coach tells us when the drug tests are so I'll be safe in those regards,

This right here should be motivation enough to not do it. You still run the risk of losing your scholarship. Again, only my opinion but you should rethink this.

 

[Flabby]

All I'm saying is, wait. You're 18 years old. Your natural test levels are high as hell. Go eat some steak, drink some protein, and get your dick wet. Go be 18 and stop worrying about this at your age.
I sure as hell wish someone told me that when I was your age but hey, guess what, they didn't.
You're more than likely not going to listen to a single one of us because, well, you're 18.. and that's what you do when you're 18. You're invincible and you're always right.
Don't make the same mistake a lot of us did.

 

[WhiteL743]

Can you tell me a little about your Pct that you took that wasn't effective, and the cycle you have done? I appreciate the reply. I truly do

I never took a pct man i was young and dumb. I did 3 cycles a year only took 4 weeks of break between each so i didnt think i needed it. Live and learn i guess. My cycles were usually t400 twice a week / tren e twice a week. Now i usually take clomid and nolvadex for pct and take atleast 3 months break.

 

[guyzcool]

ime anything at/above 80mcg of clen gives me the shakes and cramps (literally the worst cramping of your life). idk how to explain it to someone who hasn't tried it, but the closest comparison to being on clen to me would be:

that feeling after sprinting balls-out a 100yd dash, the semi outta breath/intense heart pounding, thats what its like but lasts during your entire training/workout session. thats why i can't personally see it being beneficial to an athlete (who's not trying to cut weight)

ime anything at/above 80mcg of clen gives me the shakes and cramps (literally the worst cramping of your life). idk how to explain it to someone who hasn't tried it, but the closest comparison to being on clen to me would be:

that feeling after sprinting balls-out a 100yd dash, the semi outta breath/intense heart pounding, thats what its like but lasts during your entire training/workout session. thats why i can't personally see it being beneficial to an athlete (who's not trying to cut weight)

I thought that because the effects of a beta 2 aganist, the increase in respiratory and cardiac output it increased performance? I see you everywhere, so which Pct for Nolvadex only cycle is better? The 100mg the first day and taper off or the other cycle I mentioned?

 

[guyzcool]

All I'm saying is, wait. You're 18 years old. Your natural test levels are high as hell. Go eat some steak, drink some protein, and get your dick wet. Go be 18 and stop worrying about this at your age.
I sure as hell wish someone told me that when I was your age but hey, guess what, they didn't.
You're more than likely not going to listen to a single one of us because, well, you're 18.. and that's what you do when you're 18. You're invincible and you're always right.
Don't make the same mistake a lot of us did.

Get My dick wet . Like that'll happen. I am looking at this for the performance enhancement, for my scholarship. Not to mention I already have everything paid for, so I am going through with it. I do appreciate your advice. Thank you

 

[guyzcool]

I never took a pct man i was young and dumb. I did 3 cycles a year only took 4 weeks of break between each so i didnt think i needed it. Live and learn i guess. My cycles were usually t400 twice a week / tren e twice a week. Now i usually take clomid and nolvadex for pct and take atleast 3 months break.

I am going for a 14 week break after my last injection. Because I read 10 weeks minimum plus the 4 weeks on pct. What is your Pct cycle. And how would you do a Nolvadex only pct?

 

[WhiteL743]

I am going for a 14 week break after my last injection. Because I read 10 weeks minimum plus the 4 weeks on pct. What is your Pct cycle. And how would you do a Nolvadex only pct?

I do clomid 50/50/20/20 and nolva at 40/40/20/20 but thats me and it worked really well. If u do your reaserch theres alot of good info on here. But i still consider you should wait it out , just my opinion.

 

[Flaming Dragon]

I've read about the HTPA not fully returning to normal after a cycle, but that's why the post cycle therapy is important. I've read all of the risks, and yeah it can go bad or it can go good. Either way I would like to try. The biggest thing I am looking at Right now is keeping my scholarship, a full ride for swimming. It has been threatened to me and I've trained and dieted harder than anyone on the team. The coach tells us when the drug tests are so I'll be safe in those regards, but if you can help me with a more effective or better Pct that would be helpful. And thank you for the reply

Sorry any "coaches" that put their athlete health and life in danger is a FUCKIN MORON!! Not only that.. what happen when you get that full scholarship and without juice you're at the bottom of your swim team? Hop back on.. how will the new coach take it? Pretty sure in the NCAA's you're going to get caught and then what?

I am sorry but I can't help you... I wish you the best of luck

 

[guyzcool]

I do clomid 50/50/20/20 and nolva at 40/40/20/20 but thats me and it worked really well. If u do your reaserch theres alot of good info on here. But i still consider you should wait it out , just my opinion.

Have you ever used HCG for a Pct?

 

[guyzcool]

Sorry any "coaches" that put their athlete health and life in danger is a FUCKIN MORON!! Not only that.. what happen when you get that full scholarship and without juice you're at the bottom of your swim team? Hop back on.. how will the new coach take it? Pretty sure in the NCAA's you're going to get caught and then what?

I am sorry but I can't help you... I wish you the best of luck

Thank you for your input. It is very much appreciated.

 

[Leancuisine]

@guyzcool just a heads up.... test E is detectable for up to 3 months.
Plus your test levels could easily be over 3000ng/dl. I've even seen bloods as high as 5000ng/dl.... considering they take a blood test and see that your levels are jacked up or your TT is, or your epi-to-test levels are out of whack..... just be careful.
You are definitely going to gain weight.... but it's not a miracle. Doubt your swim time will be that drastically improved. I can't talk for swimming because I never did it, but I did track. Let's say a kid has a 26 second 200. Super slow. He juices and knocks it down to 22 in 10 weeks... 4 seconds is a nice shave off time, but nothing that jumps out. Once he hits post cycle the athletes times athletes are going to go right back up. Maybe even worse.
Consider he had to juice just to get to the low end of qualifying. Still everyone and their brother runs a 22. I wasn't even looked at until I ran a 21.19.

Is swimming really your passion ?
You want free college join the military... shits a cake walk now anyways.

 

[guyzcool]

@guyzcool just a heads up.... test E is detectable for up to 3 months.
Plus your test levels could easily be over 3000ng/dl. I've even seen bloods as high as 5000ng/dl.... considering they take a blood test and see that your levels are jacked up or your TT is, or your epi-to-test levels are out of whack..... just be careful.
You are definitely going to gain weight.... but it's not a miracle. Doubt your swim time will be that drastically improved. I can't talk for swimming because I never did it, but I did track. Let's say a kid has a 26 second 200. Super slow. He juices and knocks it down to 22 in 10 weeks... 4 seconds is a nice shave off time, but nothing that jumps out. Once he hits post cycle the athletes times athletes are going to go right back up. Maybe even worse.
Consider he had to juice just to get to the low end of qualifying. Still everyone and their brother runs a 22. I wasn't even looked at until I ran a 21.19.

Is swimming really your passion ?
You want free college join the military... shits a cake walk now anyways.

I looked at the military they won't take me because of my shoulder. Have you donever many cycles? Better question is can I do my Pct cycle and will it be effective or should I pick up some Clomid as well?

 

[Leancuisine]

I looked at the military they won't take me because of my shoulder. Have you donever many cycles? Better question is can I do my Pct cycle and will it be effective or should I pick up some Clomid as well?

Clomid can make you very emotional. I've never taken it.
I did Nolvadex at 40 the first week, then 30, 20, 10., which is pretty similar to yours. Keep things simple man. The more drugs in your system, the more things to detect.
My testosterone levels are fully recovered and have been for quite some time. I cycled over a year ago.

 

[guyzcool]

Clomid can make you very emotional. I've never taken it.
I did Nolvadex at 40 the first week, then 30, 20, 10., which is pretty similar to yours. Keep things simple man. The more drugs in your system, the more things to detect.
My testosterone levels are fully recovered and have been for quite some time. I cycled over a year ago.

What was your cycle?

 

[Leancuisine]

What was your cycle?

Test e for 9 weeks @500mg
EQ @ 750mg 1st week, 500mg the rest.

 

[guyzcool]

Test e for 9 weeks @500mg
EQ @ 750mg 1st week, 500mg the rest.

Have you run any cycles since.

 

[guyzcool]

Have you run any cycles since.

Why EQ? I've never heard of that one... and how were your gains??

 

[insaiyan93]

Now, mind you, I'm no doctor. However, iit seems like getting bigger would hinder your swimming....the more mass you have it seems would create more drag and slow you down.

 

[guyzcool]

Now, mind you, I'm no doctor. However, iit seems like getting bigger would hinder your swimming....the more mass you have it seems would create more drag and slow you down.

I could see that! But it is a performance enhancing drug

 

[insaiyan93]

I could see that! But it is a performance enhancing drug

Yes, but it may not be pest for enhancing the performance of swimmers...its not really a sport where you see a lot of bulky guys. If it were football or wrestling It would make more sense, but in a sport which the most importance seems to come from being streamline, cardiovascular endurance, and technique I don't think juice is going to be your best choice,brother.