Ryu82
Well-known Member
Looking forward to seeing your progress. You don't need to cut at all so I would work on getting your baseline calories up over the next few months.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
First cycle
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amindzeye
Member
Thanks. I'm up a couple hundred from 11 days ago.
conqueror
Member
@amindzeye I stumbled upon an article today which reminded me exactly why something like kisspeptin-10 on-cycle, even taken correctly, is not a good choice in contrast with HCG. While kisspepting-10 encourages LH secretion, the high levels of androgens within your blood will discourage it so that one counteracts the effect of the other at the pituitary gland:
Conversely, the small LH response to LHRH in androgen-treated animals suggests that androgen feedback is, in part, imposed at the level of the pituitary gland.
Source: Gettys, T. W., M. J. D'Occhio, D. M. Henricks, and B. D. Schanbacher. " Suppression of LH secretion by oestradiol, dihydrotestosterone and trenbolone acetate in the acutely castrated bull". Journal of Endocrinology 100.1 (1984): 107-112. < https://doi.org/10.1677/joe.0.1000107>. Web. 25 Jul. 2021.
Conversely, the small LH response to LHRH in androgen-treated animals suggests that androgen feedback is, in part, imposed at the level of the pituitary gland.
Source: Gettys, T. W., M. J. D'Occhio, D. M. Henricks, and B. D. Schanbacher. " Suppression of LH secretion by oestradiol, dihydrotestosterone and trenbolone acetate in the acutely castrated bull". Journal of Endocrinology 100.1 (1984): 107-112. < https://doi.org/10.1677/joe.0.1000107>. Web. 25 Jul. 2021.
amindzeye
Member
Thanks for this info. Tuesday is when I will start administering HCG.
amindzeye
Member
I thought about what @MisterSuperGod said about bro splits. I decided to eliminate arm day, and split biceps and triceps into two other days. So now I've been lifting 4 days and then a rest day. Then another four days then another rest day. So every muscle groups gets hit every 5 days.
Day 1 - Chest / Biceps
-15 degree decline Benchpress
Ramp up - 115/10 135/8 145/6 175/4 195/2 254/1
Set 1 - 220 - 6
Set 2 - 190 - 10
Set 3 - 180 - 10
Set 4 - 160 - 15
15 degree Incline Benchpress
Set 1 - 160 - 10
Set 2 - 155 - 10
Set 3 - 150 - 10
Dumbbell Flyes
Set 1 - 37.5 - 10
Set 2 - 37.5 - 10
Set 3 - 37.5 - 10
Single arm dumbbell press
Set 1 - 72.5 - 4
Set 2 - 57.5 - 10
Set 3 - 57.5 - 10
Incline seated dumbbell curls
Set 1 - 32.5 - 10
Set 2 - 32.5 - 10
Set 3 - 29.5 - 10
Set 4 - 29.5 - 10
Incline seated hammer curls
Set 1 - 29.5 - 10
Set 2 - 29.5 - 10
Set 3 - 29.5 - 10
Chin ups
Set 1 - 25 - 4
Set 2 - 25 - 4
Set 3 - 25 - 4
Toeraises
Set 1 - 22.5 - 15
Set 2 - 22.5 - 15
Set 3 - 22.5 - 15
Set 4 - 22.5 - 10
Day 2 - Legs
Barbell Back Squat
Ramp up - 125-10 145-8 175-6 195-4 225-2 285-1
Set 1 - 255 - 6
Set 2 - 220 - 10
Set 3 - 215 - 10
Set 4 - 195 - 15
when back is messed up instead of heavy squats, I do:
3 warmup sets 125 - 10
15 Sets - 125 - 15
Barbell Lunges
Set 1 - 125 - 10
Set 2 - 115 - 10
Set 3 - 115 - 10
Set 4 - 115 - 10
Romanian Deadlift
Set 1 - 230 - 9
Set 2 - 230 - 10
Set 3 - 225 - 7
Seated Calf Raises
warm up set - 0 - 100
Set 1 - 225 - 45
Set 2 - 225 - 50
Set 3 - 225 - 40
Day 3 - Shoulders / Triceps
Overhead Press
W.U.-65-70-85-90-105-135
Set 1 - 120 - 6
Set 2 - 97 - 10
Set 3 - 95 - 10
Set 4 - 80 - 15
Seated Dumbbell Overhead Press
Set 1 - 37.5 - 9
Set 2 - 37.5 - 10
Set 3 - 32.5 - 10
Seated Rear Delt Raises
Set 1 - 29.5 - 10
Set 2 - 29.5 - 10
Set 3 - 29.5 - 10
Side Lateral Raises
Set 1 - 12.5 - 15
Set 2 - 12.5 - 10
Set 3 - 12.5 - 10
Set 4 - 12.5 - 10
Set 5 - 17.5 - 10
Close Grip Benchpress
Set 1 - 145 - 9
Set 2 - 140 - 10
Set 3 - 135 - 9
Dips
Set 1 - 25 - 10
Set 2 - 25 - 10
Set 3 - 25 - 10
Set 4 - 25 - 10
Seated Tricep Press
Set 1 - 57.5 - 10
Set 2 - 57.5 - 10
Set 3 - 54.5 - 10
Incline Dumbell Curl
Set 1 - 29.5 - 10
Set 2 - 29.5 - 10
Set 3 - 29.5 - 8
Toe Raises 22.5lbs - 15 x 4
Day 4 - Back/Lats
Deadlifts - 165-10 185-8 215-6 245-4 285-2 354-1
Set 1 - 320 - 6
Set 2 - 320 - 6
Set 3 - 320 - 5
Set 4 - 320 - 4
Wide Grip Pullups
Set 1 - 0 - 8
Set 2 - 0 - 8
Set 3 - 0 - 6
Set 4 - 0 - 6
Set 5 - 0 - 6
Set 6 - 0 - 5
Barbell Rows
Set 1 - 155 - 10
Set 2 - 155 - 10
Set 3 - 155 - 10
Set 4 - 155 - 10
Shoulder Shrugs
Set 1 - 300 - 10
Set 2 - 300 - 10
Set 3 - 300 - 10
Set 4 - 300 - 10
Toe Raises
Set 1 - 22.5 - 10
Set 2 - 22.5 - 10
Set 3 - 22.5 - 10
Wide Grip Pullups
Set 1 - 25 - 3
Day 1 - Chest / Biceps
-15 degree decline Benchpress
Ramp up - 115/10 135/8 145/6 175/4 195/2 254/1
Set 1 - 220 - 6
Set 2 - 190 - 10
Set 3 - 180 - 10
Set 4 - 160 - 15
15 degree Incline Benchpress
Set 1 - 160 - 10
Set 2 - 155 - 10
Set 3 - 150 - 10
Dumbbell Flyes
Set 1 - 37.5 - 10
Set 2 - 37.5 - 10
Set 3 - 37.5 - 10
Single arm dumbbell press
Set 1 - 72.5 - 4
Set 2 - 57.5 - 10
Set 3 - 57.5 - 10
Incline seated dumbbell curls
Set 1 - 32.5 - 10
Set 2 - 32.5 - 10
Set 3 - 29.5 - 10
Set 4 - 29.5 - 10
Incline seated hammer curls
Set 1 - 29.5 - 10
Set 2 - 29.5 - 10
Set 3 - 29.5 - 10
Chin ups
Set 1 - 25 - 4
Set 2 - 25 - 4
Set 3 - 25 - 4
Toeraises
Set 1 - 22.5 - 15
Set 2 - 22.5 - 15
Set 3 - 22.5 - 15
Set 4 - 22.5 - 10
Day 2 - Legs
Barbell Back Squat
Ramp up - 125-10 145-8 175-6 195-4 225-2 285-1
Set 1 - 255 - 6
Set 2 - 220 - 10
Set 3 - 215 - 10
Set 4 - 195 - 15
when back is messed up instead of heavy squats, I do:
3 warmup sets 125 - 10
15 Sets - 125 - 15
Barbell Lunges
Set 1 - 125 - 10
Set 2 - 115 - 10
Set 3 - 115 - 10
Set 4 - 115 - 10
Romanian Deadlift
Set 1 - 230 - 9
Set 2 - 230 - 10
Set 3 - 225 - 7
Seated Calf Raises
warm up set - 0 - 100
Set 1 - 225 - 45
Set 2 - 225 - 50
Set 3 - 225 - 40
Day 3 - Shoulders / Triceps
Overhead Press
W.U.-65-70-85-90-105-135
Set 1 - 120 - 6
Set 2 - 97 - 10
Set 3 - 95 - 10
Set 4 - 80 - 15
Seated Dumbbell Overhead Press
Set 1 - 37.5 - 9
Set 2 - 37.5 - 10
Set 3 - 32.5 - 10
Seated Rear Delt Raises
Set 1 - 29.5 - 10
Set 2 - 29.5 - 10
Set 3 - 29.5 - 10
Side Lateral Raises
Set 1 - 12.5 - 15
Set 2 - 12.5 - 10
Set 3 - 12.5 - 10
Set 4 - 12.5 - 10
Set 5 - 17.5 - 10
Close Grip Benchpress
Set 1 - 145 - 9
Set 2 - 140 - 10
Set 3 - 135 - 9
Dips
Set 1 - 25 - 10
Set 2 - 25 - 10
Set 3 - 25 - 10
Set 4 - 25 - 10
Seated Tricep Press
Set 1 - 57.5 - 10
Set 2 - 57.5 - 10
Set 3 - 54.5 - 10
Incline Dumbell Curl
Set 1 - 29.5 - 10
Set 2 - 29.5 - 10
Set 3 - 29.5 - 8
Toe Raises 22.5lbs - 15 x 4
Day 4 - Back/Lats
Deadlifts - 165-10 185-8 215-6 245-4 285-2 354-1
Set 1 - 320 - 6
Set 2 - 320 - 6
Set 3 - 320 - 5
Set 4 - 320 - 4
Wide Grip Pullups
Set 1 - 0 - 8
Set 2 - 0 - 8
Set 3 - 0 - 6
Set 4 - 0 - 6
Set 5 - 0 - 6
Set 6 - 0 - 5
Barbell Rows
Set 1 - 155 - 10
Set 2 - 155 - 10
Set 3 - 155 - 10
Set 4 - 155 - 10
Shoulder Shrugs
Set 1 - 300 - 10
Set 2 - 300 - 10
Set 3 - 300 - 10
Set 4 - 300 - 10
Toe Raises
Set 1 - 22.5 - 10
Set 2 - 22.5 - 10
Set 3 - 22.5 - 10
Wide Grip Pullups
Set 1 - 25 - 3
amindzeye
Member
At this point, I am questioning the legitimacy of my test. I am in the middle of week 4, and I have not noticed any changes as of yet. No increased strength, no increased libido, no increased endurance. I am wondering if I should just schedule mid cycle blood work in week 5 instead of 6.
bigpoppachump2
Well-known Member
Now while I don't usually disagree with ng esteemed colleague @MisterSuperGod I will slightly disagree with him here.
If you're like me you might need a dedicated arm day for biceps. Or train them twice a week with more volume. If I ran a program like the one you outlined my biceps just would not grow and I mean none whatsoever. My biceps are my most stubborn body part and unless I absolutely annihilate them once or twice a week with a heavy volume workout nothing happens to them at all. I do a minimum of 12 sets per week for my biceps and usually prefer to have a second feeder workout for them later in the week after leg day or the like
bigpoppachump2
Well-known Member
And technically it's not a disagreement its more a difference in opinion lol. And then again is it really? Cause I'm not really advocating for a bro split just for adding in a bicep day or just sucking it up and beating the shit out of them on another split day with legs or something like that
amindzeye
Member
I'm glad you wrote this. My biceps are stubborn also. Last week I started also doing incline dumbbell curls on shoulder and back days.
bigpoppachump2
Well-known Member
Wow!!! Incline dumbbell curls are far and away my favorite and most productive bicep workout. Some days I'll just double down on this exercise and just go all ham nasty on my biceps and do nothing but incline dumbbells for 8 or more sets
amindzeye
Member
I had mid cycle bloodwork taken. The blood was drawn 30 days after first pin. In the middle of the 5th week. 45 hours after injection. My results are:
Total T : 3577 ng/dL
Free T : 1079 pg/mL
Estradiol : 155 pg/mL
I am not experiencing any side effects. I am wondering what my dosage should be for aromasin.
Total T : 3577 ng/dL
Free T : 1079 pg/mL
Estradiol : 155 pg/mL
I am not experiencing any side effects. I am wondering what my dosage should be for aromasin.
conqueror
Member
Without side effects: 0 mg. I only took a sip of Anastrozole when mammary glands began forming. And that one sip put the issue to rest for me on time.
amindzeye
Member
@conqueror
When I said not experiencing any side effects, I was thinking nipple and emotion related. The side effects I am experiencing is water retention, slight lethargy, and somewhat low libido.
@Ryu82 @MisterSuperGod @bigpoppachump2 @Jestopherson
I'd like to get your guys' opinions as well.
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amindzeye
Member
Also, I administered 250iu of Hcg less than a day before the blood drawing.
Your testosterone is legitimate. If you aren’t seeing strength or muscle gains, it’s because you aren’t eating enough. You WILL gain fat to get the most out of TNE cycle, which is why a previous comment suggested cutting beforehand. “Recomp” is difficult to do and most just spin their wheels. It’s not an ideal approach.
Up your calories and you’ll see improvement. Muscles need to be built out of something. Steroids are cool and all but they don’t magically transform fat into muscle.
amindzeye
Member
Thanks for the insight. I have surmised that lack of calories was the reason why. I was hesitant to up my caloric intake without knowing if what I had was real. Now that I do, I'm going to eat more. I'm up 17-19 lbs.since I started. Mostly water I suspect. What do you think about my estrogen and exemestane dosing?
Is it real Pfizer exemestane or is it research chemical/UGL?
The Pfizer tabs are pretty easy to split with a pill cutter. Take your time and chop it into 1/4s. Take your time. Based on your bloodwork and the fact you’re taking HCG, I would do 1/4 tab twice a week. That should be enough. If you notice any estrogen sides then re-evaluate. It’s a suicide inhibitor so the effect is pretty quick.
amindzeye
Member
It's pharma. That's what I was thinking, 6.25mg twice a week on pinning days.
Ryu82
Well-known Member
6.25mg on pin days should be enough as you are not running a pile of test. 12.5mg seems to be the go to for many but having your estro a little high is not a bad thing. Beats the hell out of crashing it.
Take it with a cap or two of fish oil. Fat soluble and such.
See how you feel and get follow up bloods in a couple weeks if possible to see if that dialed you in. Its good info to have on hand for reference for future cycles as well.
Take it with a cap or two of fish oil. Fat soluble and such.
See how you feel and get follow up bloods in a couple weeks if possible to see if that dialed you in. Its good info to have on hand for reference for future cycles as well.
amindzeye
Member
Could you elaborate what it is about my bloodwork that makes you suggest 1/4 tab? Is it that my estradiol levels aren't as high as some peoples? Or the ratio of estradiol to free test? ect...I want to have a better understanding of interpreting bloodwork.
