For the regular Meso members

I can understand why some people do have 2nd handles considering that UGLs have some type of info on them. My 2cents.

People should have an ordering handle. That's the handle you order with sources. It should have 0 posts.

Dealer, for example, is my say what I want handle. Say source A gives me an infection. Dealer will post and wreck the source but source can't identify my address and send me a hot pack or post my address on Google.
Exactly! I have been advocating this for some time. But there is a lot of resistance.

There is resistance from forum admins. Most forums ban this practice. The rule was designed to prevent scammers from using multiple handles. But it no longer effectively prevents this. It is outdated now with the relatively widespread adoption of VPNs and TOR. Even if it wasn't, the security benefits for members significantly outweigh and spam/scam prevention utility.

The biggest resistance probably comes from consumers themselves. Why?

Because everyone knows that the more "clout", "status", "influence" a member has, the better the chances of not being scammed and/or receiving better deals and more free gear.

When admins/mods and established vets successfully receive gear, it is largely meaningless to the average/newbie consumer as a sole signal of source reliability; don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. Sources practically NEVER scam admins/mods and influential vets.

But newbies? That is another story.

Rather than criticize this hierarchy, average members jump on board and do all the things necessary to gain status to become part of this elite group that rarely gets scammed; they want to be beneficiaries of the special perks that come with the privileged membership.

Of course, this is very rational behavior among consumers.

They would rather order using the handle with the 1000+ post count and increase the probability of success rather than use the handle with 0 posts that dramatically increases the odds of being selectively scammed or otherwise dismissed by a source.

Security is willingly compromised for this reason.

It's hard to blame anyone for playing by the "unwritten rules" of the game.
 
Exactly! I have been advocating this for some time. But there is a lot of resistance.

There is resistance from forum admins. Most forums ban this practice. The rule was designed to prevent scammers from using multiple handles. But it no longer effectively prevents this. It is outdated now with the relatively widespread adoption of VPNs and TOR. Even if it wasn't, the security benefits for members significantly outweigh and spam/scam prevention utility.

The biggest resistance probably comes from consumers themselves. Why?

Because everyone knows that the more "clout", "status", "influence" a member has, the better the chances of not being scammed and/or receiving better deals and more free gear.

When admins/mods and established vets successfully receive gear, it is largely meaningless to the average/newbie consumer as a sole signal of source reliability; don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. Sources practically NEVER scam admins/mods and influential vets.

But newbies? That is another story.

Rather than criticize this hierarchy, average members jump on board and do all the things necessary to gain status to become part of this elite group that rarely gets scammed; they want to be beneficiaries of the special perks that come with the privileged membership.

Of course, this is very rational behavior among consumers.

They would rather order using the handle with the 1000+ post count and increase the probability of success rather than use the handle with 0 posts that dramatically increases the odds of being selectively scammed or otherwise dismissed by a source.

Security is willingly compromised for this reason.

It's hard to blame anyone for playing by the "unwritten rules" of the game.

I agree. I have two handles for tho very reason.
 
I have never placed an order as flenser. In fact I have never placed an order under ANY meso user name. For the first several months I was here I refused to use PMs at all which most labs required just to provide a secure contact. It placed a serious limit on the labs I was able to purchase from.

But I've grown slack in my old age and talked about orders I placed anonymously with sources through PM. I did this to resolve problems as someone with a reputation. Stupid, I know. Lately I've been leaning strongly toward retiring flenser.
 
I think it's shady.. I posted about this yesterday.. Quid pro quo..

The member receiving the perks consciously or subconsciously feels they in turn owe something to the source..

IMO if someone gets freebies it should be posted and their feedback should be taken with a grain of salt, like MikeOx said last night..

I don't think I would encourage people to admit their dealings with sources. It just puts the honest members at a disadvantage with the actual shills. Any community standard will be abused by those who have none.

I keep reading this board is not meant to be a source board, but that's exactly what it is. It's as close as anything I've seen to a free market in any regulated product, legal or otherwise. There's no bogus rating system to pad, no FDA to buy off, no media heads to pump your products and no board bouncer to boot the wise guys. Legit labs have gotten foot holds here, and the scammers are getting less each time they try. I actually enjoy rooting them out.
 
Who cares this board is ruined by them, why do you keep covering up what is going on around here. Stop calling everyone you can who you can to bring them down. This board is ruined by people like that,

They are covert operatives working to secretly to overthrow Burger King. They operate outside the reach of any government or the UN, therefore, they have no constraints. They are black ops... I suspect MI-6 and Mossad. They have a license to kill. Be careful what you say - these people are dangerous and they WILL find you.

They sent this message to me:

????? ??????. ????????. ???? ?????. ????? ??????. ????? ?????

It's some kind of code. I wish I could break it. Can you help me?
 
very great post.... It is crazy all these sources that pop up and are good for a few months then disapear.. And there have been quite a few just since i've been here and that has not been very long.... I'm done ordering from any source just cuz a few vets say it's good... I learned my lesson the hard way with herc..... Also alot of these sources will bash a perfectly legit source just to sway members from goin to them..... I think that is something everyone on here should be well aware of as well....
 
Who cares this board is ruined by them, why do you keep covering up what is going on around here. Stop calling everyone you can who you can to bring them down. This board is ruined by people like that,

Gearusing - your father was Timothy Treadwell right?
 
very great post.... It is crazy all these sources that pop up and are good for a few months then disapear.. And there have been quite a few just since i've been here and that has not been very long.... I'm done ordering from any source just cuz a few vets say it's good... I learned my lesson the hard way with herc..... Also alot of these sources will bash a perfectly legit source just to sway members from goin to them..... I think that is something everyone on here should be well aware of as well....

so true... most of the vets just discredit other members by claiming their someone else. Its just unimaginative at this point, just say you are getting free gear and you like it, stop with all this cloak and dagger accusations. I guess if you can't discredit the message discredit the man:mad:
 

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