Form check on deadlift please

[Docd187123]

Lama Gant - maybe the greatest deadlifter of all time. Not only is he looking at the ceiling, his head is off at a crazy angle.



Look at all the talc on his legs. Definitely keeps the bar as close to his body as possible to way past his knees.

My point is individual differences: nobody knows how you should deadlift. Your personal form has to be found via experimentation with max singles.

This is true as you progress but for someone who is relatively new to the movement, hasn't done them I. A while bc of injury or whatever, and for many other reasons you teach them the basic form concepts first and allow them to develop the intricacies as they mature.

 

[RodgerThat]

This is true as you progress but for someone who is relatively new to the movement, hasn't done them I. A while bc of injury or whatever, and for many other reasons you teach them the basic form concepts first and allow them to develop the intricacies as they mature.

This is essentially how I teach everyone but a select few. If they aren't lifting a seasoned deadlifter then they don't need seasoned deadlifter techniques they need a foundation. I'm currently working with a big strong guy 6'2 230 natty and 1 month into strength training he's squating 365 for reps deadlifting 405 for 5+ easily and I'm holding him back from adding more weight purely because he doesn't have the foundation set and without that an injury will occur. Once the foundation is built up I will let him go beyond and I'm sure very quickly here he will be at a 600+ pull and we can get into more tips that are intricate and person specific.

 

[UncleB]

C'mon, gents - Gant was 17 years old when he set his first WR. Inaba trained in a shed with a dirt floor. Neither had a professional instructor of any kind. They pulled as hard as they could, and figured out how to pull more weight on their own. Deadlift is the most fundamental, natural movement there is. Nobody needs a personal trainer or an Internet coach. They need determination and a brain.

 

[Docd187123]

C'mon, gents - Gant was 17 years old when he set his first WR. Inaba trained in a shed with a dirt floor. Neither had a professional instructor of any kind. They pulled as hard as they could, and figured out how to pull more weight on their own. Deadlift is the most fundamental, natural movement there is. Nobody needs a personal trainer or an Internet coach. They need determination and a brain.

So imagine what they might have accomplished had they had a proper coach teaching them things that wouldn't have wasted their time trying to figure out on their own.

Edit* also to add that just bc a movement is fundamental does not mean you can't be taught to improve upon your leverages and strenghs. Squatting is also fundamental as babies do it from an early age. Does that mean I shouldn't take advice from Coan? Deadlifting is more technical than many are led to believe.

 

[UncleB]

Ha! I'm admittedly an old fart with set opinions. I suppose that somebody has to bilk the housewives and pudgy drones at Ballys, or they'll never learn the value of thinking for themselves.

Edit: There are no examples of more successful lifters than Inaba and Gant, BTW. Coan is a close 3rd, also 100% self coached.

 

[UncleB]

BTW, I didn't mean to hijack the thread. Nice pulls, OP! The definition of good form is whatever lets you pull the most weight, but only if that's your goal. If building a big back or other aesthetic objectives are what you're after, I have no opinion.

 

[RodgerThat]

I don't like when people pick the top top athlete of anything as a general comparison like okay cool they are amazing but they are genetically gifted and have excellent leverage points. Not everyone is born to instinctively pull at the same level as those guys.

My definition of good form is not what makes you pull the most amount of weight but what makes you pull the most amount of weight week after week month after month year after year. If it was so instinctual then why do we see so many people with horrible form giving themselves back problems by just picking up more and more. There is a reason things change and progress and I realize your beyond the Normal progression rate but most people are not and should progress with consistency and a form that prevents injury.

 

[Docd187123]

Not taking anything away from Gant but he also had a medical condition which predisposed him to being an awesome puller.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Yeah, he had some curvature of the spine, I believe. You can see it in pictures of his back.

Found the picture I was thinking of.

 

[UncleB]

Not taking anything away from Gant but he also had a medical condition which predisposed him to being an awesome puller.

Seems to me that scoliosis would make most anything more difficult, not less.

Listen, if I tried to lift like Gant I'd be in a neck brace. OTOH, if I tried to lift like whatever the current accepted norm is, I'd be pulling sissy weights. The point is to find what works for you and do that.

Or, you can let someone else be responsible for your form and results. No skin off my nose either way, but you can't argue against the results.

The subject is form. It's always stupid to follow the top athletes' training plan, published diet, etc, because you aren't them and never will be. But there are only examples of mediocre deadlifters who pull in approved form. Therefore, the concept of the principle of individual differences can only be illustrated by champs or below-mediocre chumps. You can save yourself a lot of time not wasted parsing sport science jargon and look at how successful lifters lift. If they all do it differently, there is no standard form.

 

[romaleos]

OP, I hope the weightlifting shoes you have are not Olympic Weightlifting shoes. For deadlifting, you need a shoe with no cushion and no heel. An oldie but goodie are converse chuck taylors. If you want the the new new, then reebok makes an updated chuck taylor lifting shoe.

I like getting behind the bar on the start, dragging against my shins, and really pushing through the heel using my hams. Kinda feels a little like a squat. But if you're gonna use this style I highly recommend high socks or shin guards.

 

[Docd187123]

Seems to me that scoliosis would make most anything more difficult, not less.

Having a curved spine which allows you to have a higher hips starting position, shorter ROM, and a lockout with the bar at almost knee level makes it a disadvantage?

Listen, if I tried to lift like Gant I'd be in a neck brace. OTOH, if I tried to lift like whatever the current accepted norm is, I'd be pulling sissy weights. The point is to find what works for you and do that.

Same here. I've tried head up and it irritates my back and neck too much.

I haven't said otherwise regarding "accepted norms" but they are a great starting point. Plus there are accepted norms for different anthropometries as well as accepted norms that transcend that and are pretty close to being universal.

Or, you can let someone else be responsible for your form and results. No skin off my nose either way, but you can't argue against the results.

Having a coach doesn't make them responsible for your results. It's still up to the lifter to put in the work and achieve the results. The coach is an objective eye. A good coach can be the difference between coming in first and coming in second, you can't argue against results.

The subject is form. It's always stupid to follow the top athletes' training plan, published diet, etc, because you aren't them and never will be. But there are only examples of mediocre deadlifters who pull in approved form. Therefore, the concept of the principle of individual differences can only be illustrated by champs or below-mediocre chumps. You can save yourself a lot of time not wasted parsing sport science jargon and look at how successful lifters lift. If they all do it differently, there is no standard form.

Wrong. You look at the best lifters and you'll see trends, accepted norms, in most of them. Not in every aspect of the lift but in enough to warrant them being considered accepted norms.

After all, keeping the bar as close to your body to avoid moment arms is both sports science jargon as well as an accepted norm. Are you going to go and deadlift a PR attempt with the bar 6in away from your shins? I don't think so. Are you going to keep your elbows straight or bent while pulling? Are you going to try to pull with angled shins or near vertical shins? Look at all the greats/champs, look at the science jargon and the accepted norms....most if not all have damn near vertical shins.

 

[UncleB]

Horse manure.

All the greats have both feet on the floor, too. You can't successfully claim that the physical necessities / definition of a lift = standard form.

Standard form is what is taught in the world's commercial gyms, crossfit outfits, and by web experts aping what they were told by whatever personal trainer certification body supports their nine dollar an hour career move. It's strictly designed to limit liability first, and to keep Tubby in need of more PT sessions for life second.

 

[kap73]

I post one video of myself and all the greats get a mention hahaha

 

[RodgerThat]

I post one video of myself and all the greats get a mention hahaha

It's cause we can see the potential deep in there

 

[Docd187123]

Horse manure.

All the greats have both feet on the floor, too. You can't successfully claim that the physical necessities / definition of a lift = standard form.

Standard form is what is taught in the world's commercial gyms, crossfit outfits, and by web experts aping what they were told by whatever personal trainer certification body supports their nine dollar an hour career move. It's strictly designed to limit liability first, and to keep Tubby in need of more PT sessions for life second.

Keeping the bar close to the shins is neither a necessity nor definition of the deadlift. Neither are vertical shins or straight elbows.

Please quote the rules of a powerlifting federation or strong man or whatever organization you want that make such things a definition of the lift. They don't so you can't which makes them not a definition of the lift. The fact that they can be done without doing those things shows they're not physical necessities. But the rules do say you must grab the bar with both hands so THAT is a definition of the lift.

You're narrowing the definition of accepted form to fit your narrative. First it was only mediocre pullers followed accepted form. Now it's accepted form is only taught in commercial gyms and web experts. If you want to be the special butterfly so badly so be it but the accepted norms and trends seen among most of the great dead lifters still stand bc we're not talking about your myopic definition of term; and if we are then I want to be a rich, young, world record powerlifter in your fantasy.

 

[Perrin Aybara]

Some more deadlift beasts:

 

[kap73]

It's cause we can see the potential deep in there

Now ur just teasing me to go heavier

Thanks

 

[kap73]

It's cause we can see the potential deep in there

Some more deadlift beasts:

Keeping the bar close to the shins is neither a necessity nor definition of the deadlift. Neither are vertical shins or straight elbows.

Please quote the rules of a powerlifting federation or strong man or whatever organization you want that make such things a definition of the lift. They don't so you can't which makes them not a definition of the lift. The fact that they can be done without doing those things shows they're not physical necessities. But the rules do say you must grab the bar with both hands so THAT is a definition of the lift.

You're narrowing the definition of accepted form to fit your narrative. First it was only mediocre pullers followed accepted form. Now it's accepted form is only taught in commercial gyms and web experts. If you want to be the special butterfly so badly so be it but the accepted norms and trends seen among most of the great dead lifters still stand bc we're not talking about your myopic definition of term; and if we are then I want to be a rich, young, world record powerlifter in your fantasy.

Here is a 170kg side on video with flat shoes.. Didnt really feel like a good lift to me. Prob on my limit there with no powerlifting background. Anything really bad?

 

[RodgerThat]

You need to work on lower back extension as you are a tad bit rounded there but nothing absolutely horrible. If that head position works for you great but I do like a more nuteral cervical spine. Also don't roll the weights around this places them in a bad position for the pull you should walk up put your mid foot under the bar, take your grip with straight legs then bring your shins to the bar, take your deep valsalva breath and lift.

Honestly man for not DLing much it does look really good and I'm picking it apart to help but it's not like you are doing a horrible job at all. Good job man and keep it up!