Fuckin Gyno

[big rob]

I had some pain during my last cycle in my right nipple and didn't know if it was a zit or what. I stopped the DBol and did some Arimidex and it went away. Then on this cycle it came back again. So much for the zit theory. This time there is a small lump on the right side of the nipple and it fucking hurts to touch it. I cut out the DRol that I was on a few weeks ago and started the Arimi again. It still hurts so I am cutting the Deca wayyyyy down and see what happens. I guess I am cursed for good from here on out . Unless I get the surgery I suppose..... It definately sucks but things could be worse..... I guess it's the price we pay to get big if things go wrong.....

 

[Neodavid]

Sounds like it's just the gland responding a little, that goes away (or mine did). Mine was really sensitive, my wife elbowed me in the nip and I got one of those 'pain shocks'.

If you were getting decca gyno, I thought I read arimidex doesn't help with progesterone gyno. You will know that of course cause you cut the decca down. I thought I read that Bromide or something was for progesterone gyno, if you want to keep the decca going. Might want to look it up in the drug profiles.

I had some pain during my last cycle in my right nipple and didn't know if it was a zit or what. I stopped the DBol and did some Arimidex and it went away. Then on this cycle it came back again. So much for the zit theory. This time there is a small lump on the right side of the nipple and it fucking hurts to touch it. I cut out the DRol that I was on a few weeks ago and started the Arimi again. It still hurts so I am cutting the Deca wayyyyy down and see what happens. I guess I am cursed for good from here on out . Unless I get the surgery I suppose..... It definately sucks but things could be worse..... I guess it's the price we pay to get big if things go wrong.....

 

[einstein1905]

There is absolutely no reason not to be using both adex and nolva throughout any cycle....enough of this "keep it on hand just in case" stuff....that's poor advice IMO. Am I the only person sick of seeing gyno posts? Anti e's "just in case" is a dinosaur idea that has gone the way of front loading and pyramiding....it just doesn't make sense. Anti e's are cheap and readily available to all. There is no real justification for the argument that they will hinder gains, in fact it could be argued that they will help gains, since you will be reducing estrogen (although it will still be above normal physiological levels by far), you'll be reducing SHBG and therefore have more bioavailable AAS.

 

[HHH]

Brother,,I've got it too. Sux. Ya know,,,when I run or
play with the Kido's,,,Damn,,Lol hurts bad. It only bothers
me If I'm on a cycle. When I'm off,,nothing. I had to stop
running Deca all together.

It's weird,,some folk never have this problem,,and others
get slaped in the face with it. But it come's with the Game.

Good luck Rob. As when I was running deca,,I had to
take 80mg Nolva and some Arimidex,,and it did'nt help
me much. I droped the Deca and it started getting better.

HHH

 

[esco]

drol & decca are both progesterone gyno .... arimidex and nolvadex does not work for decca nor a-bombs ... drol gave me a slight case of gyno too rob .... my started to go away a while after my cycle.

 

[scrappy]

I agree with einstein. Run at least clom or nolv throughout if anything in your cycle aromatizes. As far as all the progesterone/prolactin steroids causing gyno, No arim and nolv won't block progesterone/prolactin but I think if estrogen and these things are high your even worse off. So I still think the estrogen blockers/antagonists are a good idea.

 

[einstein1905]

I agree with einstein. Run at least clom or nolv throughout if anything in your cycle aromatizes. As far as all the progesterone/prolactin steroids causing gyno, No arim and nolv won't block progesterone/prolactin but I think if estrogen and these things are high your even worse off. So I still think the estrogen blockers/antagonists are a good idea.

Exactly, anti e's don't DIRECTLY deal with prog/prol-related gyno, but they do have potential to decrease the incidence of such issues. B6 as a preventative at 200mg/day is very effective for most. This just like people buying aloe to treat the blisters from sunburn "just in case" they get it, when all they need to do is use sunscreen from the start, so they don't have to get to the point of treating the symptoms.

 

[finafreak]

Exactly, anti e's don't DIRECTLY deal with prog/prol-related gyno, but they do have potential to decrease the incidence of such issues. B6 as a preventative at 200mg/day is very effective for most. This just like people buying aloe to treat the blisters from sunburn "just in case" they get it, when all they need to do is use sunscreen from the start, so they don't have to get to the point of treating the symptoms.

Hey bro the theory of vitamin B-6 is wrong,.it doesn't work. Progesterone just sucks theres nothing you can do about it,.just stop using Deca and it will go away.



fina

 

[einstein1905]

Hey bro the theory of vitamin B-6 is wrong,.it doesn't work. Progesterone just sucks theres nothing you can do about it,.just stop using Deca and it will go away.



fina

You'll have to explain what you mean by that. B6 isn't a theory, it's a B vitamin that lowers prolactin levels. Bromo doesn't deal with progesterone either.....not one bit. it deals with the elevated prolactin that results from progestins. B6 does lower prolactin...that's indebatable. Bromo does so too, and is more potent at doing so, but it also has many unwanted sides, which makes B6 an excellent alternative.

 

[einstein1905]

On a side note for all the bromo fans out there, bromo reduces GH production/release too.

 

[finafreak]

Exactly, anti e's don't DIRECTLY deal with prog/prol-related gyno, but they do have potential to decrease the incidence of such issues. B6 as a preventative at 200mg/day is very effective for most QUOTE


You said here very effective for most,..funny thing is ive been getting rid of my own blister packs of bromo to my cust cuz they said that vitamin B-6 don't work for them.


Finafreak

 

[N4cer]

Arimidex will help with Deca gyno because progesterone needs to have estrogen present to cause gyno. So you prevent aromatization and thereby avoid the progesterone gyno. Trust me. It's working for me right now, when on my last cycle even 200mg of deca made my nips itch and slightly lactate.

 

[einstein1905]

Exactly, anti e's don't DIRECTLY deal with prog/prol-related gyno, but they do have potential to decrease the incidence of such issues. B6 as a preventative at 200mg/day is very effective for most QUOTE


You said here very effective for most,..funny thing is ive been getting rid of my own blister packs of bromo to my cust cuz they said that vitamin B-6 don't work for them.


Finafreak

Most of the people that won't have it work for them are the people with the "have it on hand in case you get symptoms" people. If you take B6 from the begining of any cycle containing a potential progestin, as well as use proper anti e's, your chances of seeing gyno from either cause are very low. This just harkens back to my original post; that waiting until you see symptoms to do anything is ridiculous. We know what causes it.....we know what to use to prevent it.....put 2 and 2 together. I'm not interested in anecdotal stories about those who toss down a couple tabs of B6 to get rid of their already-formed tits. I know of many people who have began to use B6 with anti e's throughout their cycles who don't ever experience gyno symptoms, when in the past they had.

It's all about preventatives....as they say; an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure

 

[esco]

Exactly, anti e's don't DIRECTLY deal with prog/prol-related gyno, but they do have potential to decrease the incidence of such issues. B6 as a preventative at 200mg/day is very effective for most QUOTE


You said here very effective for most,..funny thing is ive been getting rid of my own blister packs of bromo to my cust cuz they said that vitamin B-6 don't work for them.


Finafreak

what if you have small showing of gyno from a-bombs, is bromo only good before signs of gyno or can i t be used after you have some gyno? thanks

 

[Neodavid]

Any idea how much more is bioavailable? You've convinced me (that, and my arimidex arrived today). I'll take .25 a day while on 750 test per week, upping it to .5 if it doesn't seem to be doing enough.

That would be a good study, finding a percentage of gain adding arimidex would give you (all through a cycle).

There is absolutely no reason not to be using both adex and nolva throughout any cycle....enough of this "keep it on hand just in case" stuff....that's poor advice IMO. Am I the only person sick of seeing gyno posts? Anti e's "just in case" is a dinosaur idea that has gone the way of front loading and pyramiding....it just doesn't make sense. Anti e's are cheap and readily available to all. There is no real justification for the argument that they will hinder gains, in fact it could be argued that they will help gains, since you will be reducing estrogen (although it will still be above normal physiological levels by far), you'll be reducing SHBG and therefore have more bioavailable AAS.

 

[einstein1905]

Any idea how much more is bioavailable? You've convinced me (that, and my arimidex arrived today). I'll take .25 a day while on 750 test per week, upping it to .5 if it doesn't seem to be doing enough.

That would be a good study, finding a percentage of gain adding arimidex would give you (all through a cycle).

It's too individualized to put a number to it really. I would use Adex at .25mg/day with nolva at 10mg/day. Don't bump the Adex up to 0.5 w/o good justification....estrogen does have it's benefits too for muscular hypertrophy. Also, what dose of test are you using?

You can also factor in that things like tren have much less affinity for SHBG.

 

[Neodavid]

I'm at 750 test right now.

Why Nolva, if using arim? If it doesn't aromatize, no extra estrogen. (put that in the dumb question category)

It's too individualized to put a number to it really. I would use Adex at .25mg/day with nolva at 10mg/day. Don't bump the Adex up to 0.5 w/o good justification....estrogen does have it's benefits too for muscular hypertrophy. Also, what dose of test are you using?

You can also factor in that things like tren have much less affinity for SHBG.

 

[finafreak]

I think once the lumps appear a couple of times there is goin to be surgery needed,.to reduce the gland and lipo & the fat around the chest area.

It one of those hit or miss things with an-tie's

fina

 

[einstein1905]

I'm at 750 test right now.

Why Nolva, if using arim? If it doesn't aromatize, no extra estrogen. (put that in the dumb question category)

With Adex at these dosages, we're still going to have estrogen levels far beyond normal physiological levels, which is good and bad. AIs are known to lower HDL, which is remedied by nolva. Nolva also is an ER antagonist in the mammary (important), but allows for positive estrogenic effects most elsewhere. You are not preventing aromatization....you're simply limiting/controlling it with AIs.

 

[Neodavid]

Thanks... I'll order some tonight. Hey, a guy at the gym here just told me he uses Nolva because it also prevents test from breaking down into DHT... (for hair loss prevention).

BUT, Nolva more a receptor site drug... have you heard anything about something that prevents DHT from forming?

With Adex at these dosages, we're still going to have estrogen levels far beyond normal physiological levels, which is good and bad. AIs are known to lower HDL, which is remedied by nolva. Nolva also is an ER antagonist in the mammary (important), but allows for positive estrogenic effects most elsewhere. You are not preventing aromatization....you're simply limiting/controlling it with AIs.