Gaining phase cycle as a heavy aromatizer

[Sleekz]

So my first cycle I found out I aromatize like a mf, cycle was 400mg test cyp mind you taking .5mg of adex every 3.5 days and still had a slightly elevated e2 level, But the time has come for my next gaining phase, and I have the cycle mapped out but need your opinion,
500mg Test E
400mg Mast E
250mg Deca
20mg Anavar Pre workout
-will be taking .5mg adex every 3.5 days still
-also gonna have telmisartan on hand
-tadalafil 5mg every day
I have experimented with 200mg of primo on 400mg test and that helped me control e2 with out the adex, but truly hoping the mast will help take care of my e2 but what do y'all think should I change doeses? Or swap out the deca?

 

[Nidus]

If you aromatize a lot, why not Primo instead of Deca and see how you can control your E2 with it?

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Like @Nidus mention, @Sleekz. If you're a heavy aromatizer, I don't think you want to play with deca. I wouldn't on my 2nd cycle as a heavy aromatizer. While it won't necesarrily increase e2, it can make you much more e2 sensitive / combo of elevated prolactin + e2 garners more side effects than just elevated e2.

My vote would be for primo or EQ. You can still use mast with either if you want. Mast wont lower serum e2. It'll just manage e2 sides and help directly at the estrogen receptor, but won't actually lower your e2 (maybe slightly).

Could do:

500 test / 300mg primo / 400 mast

500 test / 300 eq / 400 mast

or something like that. I doubt you will need AI if you do something like above. maybe you'll need to increase primo or eq slightly, but its a good starting point.

 

[Nidus]

Like @Nidus mention, @Sleekz. If you're a heavy aromatizer, I don't think you want to play with deca. I wouldn't on my 2nd cycle as a heavy aromatizer. While it won't necesarrily increase e2, it can make you much more e2 sensitive / combo of elevated prolactin + e2 garners more side effects than just elevated e2.

My vote would be for primo or EQ. You can still use mast with either if you want. Mast wont lower serum e2. It'll just manage e2 sides and help directly at the estrogen receptor, but won't actually lower your e2 (maybe slightly).

Could do:

500 test / 300mg primo / 400 mast

500 test / 300 eq / 400 mast

or something like that. I doubt you will need AI if you do something like above. maybe you'll need to increase primo or eq slightly, but its a good starting point.

Pretty solid advice there. Add a bit of GH and you will surely make impressive progress when your training and food is on point.

 

[Trenbolonetax]

Pretty solid advice there. Add a bit of GH and you will surely make impressive progress when your training and food is on point.

And then a little bit of low dose slin and we're really humming! (jokes)

But seriously yeah OP, looking into GH as a next step would be great. Zero estrogen impact.

 

[MiaRage22]

I also agree with the removing of the DECA. I haven't run it personally but I have run NPP and my nips felt real cute (so I can only imagine deca)...

Primo, lately I've really been wanting to try (lower sides from what I've read but the possible hair related sides are what scare me). How'd you like it @Sleekz at 200mg?

GH, I've also been wanting to try (just the daily pinning is what really turns me off/kicks me in the dick) @Nidus @Trenbolonetax lol........

 

[Nidus]

I also agree with the removing of the DECA. I haven't run it personally but I have run NPP and my nips felt real cute (so I can only imagine deca)...

Primo, lately I've really been wanting to try (lower sides from what I've read but the possible hair related sides are what scare me). How'd you like it @Sleekz at 200mg?

GH, I've also been wanting to try (just the daily pinning is what really turns me off/kicks me in the dick) @Nidus @Trenbolonetax lol........

I run 150-250 Primo year around. Not a single hair issue. It only takes a tiny bit of a hit on my lipids but nothing that can be fixed with cardio and food.

 

[DarkStalker]

I run 150-250 Primo year around. Not a single hair issue. It only takes a tiny bit of a hit on my lipids but nothing that can be fixed with cardio and food.

How much test with that?

 

[Nidus]

How much test with that?

250-350mg a week

I pin daily and recently upped my dose cause of a cutting phase so currently at 350mg Test
250mg Primo

All split into daily injections ofc

 

[NightBeast666]

So my first cycle I found out I aromatize like a mf, cycle was 400mg test cyp mind you taking .5mg of adex every 3.5 days and still had a slightly elevated e2 level, But the time has come for my next gaining phase, and I have the cycle mapped out but need your opinion,
500mg Test E
400mg Mast E
250mg Deca
20mg Anavar Pre workout
-will be taking .5mg adex every 3.5 days still
-also gonna have telmisartan on hand
-tadalafil 5mg every day
I have experimented with 200mg of primo on 400mg test and that helped me control e2 with out the adex, but truly hoping the mast will help take care of my e2 but what do y'all think should I change doeses? Or swap out the deca?

Keep the test at 500, add in 300 of EQ. Get your bloodwork done. If you find that your e2 has crashed, add in 25 mgs of dbol pre-workout.

Mast is good for nothing, so is primo, unless run in very high dosages.

If you can get your hands on some Boldenone Acetate, there's no better anabolic than that to add to test. With 300 mgs of that, you can cover 1 g of test, with little to no use of ai.

 

[Nidus]

Keep the test at 500, add in 300 of EQ. Get your bloodwork done. If you find that your e2 has crashed, add in 25 mgs of dbol pre-workout.

Mast is good for nothing, so is primo, unless run in very high dosages.

If you can get your hands on some Boldenone Acetate, there's no better anabolic than that to add to test. With 300 mgs of that, you can cover 1 g of test, with little to no use of ai.

25mg of dbol justifed by just having E2 in range potentially with Deca together? Smells like water retention deluxe to me.
Mast and Primo good for nothing?

Orals should be only used to break plateaus or at the end of a cut/offseason to get that final squeeze out. Dbol in this case could slow down hunger and all that.

Would try and find a middleground where OP doesnt nuke his E2 and doesnt need dbol to keep his E2 in range

 

[NightBeast666]

25mg of dbol justifed by just having E2 in range potentially with Deca together? Smells like water retention deluxe to me.
Mast and Primo good for nothing?

Orals should be only used to break plateaus or at the end of a cut/offseason to get that final squeeze out. Dbol in this case could slow down hunger and all that.

Would try and find a middleground where OP doesnt nuke his E2 and doesnt need dbol to keep his E2 in range

No, not with deca, but with EQ, if run with test.

Mast and Primo for me did no good at low dosages. And I ran Rimobolan for years. Running both at the same time is just foolish. Why not just add a bit of EQ?

Ofcourse the dbol's not there just to mitigate crashed E2 problem, but it has far better results than 200/300 of mast/whatever combined together. Plus, I haven't seen anyone feel bad on dbol. It increases my apetite, unlike drol. It's probably the easiest fix to crashed e2 and has all the added benefits I mentioned. Provided ofcourse the diet is right.