"Generic" GH ASSAYS

[jaymaximus]

But wait I've been accused of being an "asshole" too and we all know that's a matter of perspective

Having said that what motive do I have for "faking data'' ZIPPO, ZILTCH, ZERO !!!

So when the naysayers arrive, and believe me THEY WILL, simply follow the money!

I didnt think you did. The people I saw making accusations seemed to have affiliations with certain producers

 

[Dr JIM]

I didnt think you did. The people I saw making accusations seemed to have affiliations with certain producers

I know that JM, as you have always been supportive of my efforts. And that's what I mean and a good friend said follow the Benjamin's

Some don't get it and probably NEVER will, the posting of adverse data may cost manufactures MONEY, and in some instances A LOT of MONEY!

 

[Spooby]

A lot of people would be interested to see if @Achilles26 still has possession of that pcom GH vial with the gremlin in it. Maybe he can send that in for analysis?

the PC name is so popular it seems, so many people are using it and from I understand, they use a third party to manufacture it, and have stated that they don't have full control of the operation therefore cannot be held responsible in some way or another if the GH were bad or contaminated.

My conclusion is that testing it at random, especially since so many are questioning simec right now and there is such a commotion, could save many people some grief, depending on the results, if they so happen to stumble upon this thread... it would solve multiple issues, at least from what I can see.

 

[Dr JIM]

OK this is the first of several samples to come. To that end few have any idea how long it takes to ensure everything is done correctly! Nonetheless shit still happens especially when one is dealing with MOUNDS of info many don't have the patience or the fund of knowledge required for it to be useful.

Really guys understand the educational background of Meso members is as diverse as the US population and some want to be told HOW MANY IU's are in that vial (which is underlined), while others will want "proof" so they can continue to sell their "generic GH".

As for the latter, enough is never enough bc their primary motivation is to DISPROVE the evidence based nature of this data. Consequently until said UGLs post their own GH data which used VERIFIABLE technology and methodologies on level with ours, such discussions are not worth my time and will not be had!

The bottom line; Meso members must decide for themselves how to get the most bang for their PED buck

Oh and sorry but the IUs were not underlined in this instance but are at the BOTTOM of W/S (Work sheet) page 1

 

[Dr JIM]

Yep and that's one of the more "popular" generic GH brands a "GREY"!

 

[Sampei]

Where does it come from? The Grey I mean. Where did you buy it?

do you have pic of the whole vial as well? It's the grey coming from TP/HK/PD?

 

[ProfessorX]

OK this is the first of several samples to come. To that end few have any idea how long it takes to ensure everything is done correctly! Nonetheless shit still happens especially when one is dealing with MOUNDS of info many don't have the patience or the fund of knowledge required for it to be useful.

Really guys understand the educational background of Meso members is as diverse as the US population and some want to be told HOW MANY IU's are in that vial (which is underlined), while others will want "proof" so they can continue to sell their "generic GH".

As for the latter, enough is never enough bc their primary motivation is to DISPROVE the evidence based nature of this data. Consequently until said UGLs post their own GH data which used VERIFIABLE technology and methodologies on level with ours, such discussions are not worth my time and will not be had!

The bottom line; Meso members must decide for themselves how to get the most bang for their PED buck

Oh and sorry but the IUs were not underlined in this instance but are at the BOTTOM of W/S (Work sheet) page 1

As always, thank you sharing this info

As far as determining the concentration per vial, was a specific testing "technique" used....example 'Fluorimetic Assay'......or

Was the quantity present done via HPLC-MS response of intact protein relative to a "standard"

Example: (Sigma Cat. no. S0947000 - somatropin reference standard)

Also, please understand I have very limited understanding of all this testing
Just comparing info to past testing I've personally had done (I believe the methodology is listed on the assay)

You and 'Mands' are the reason I actually signed up her....so thanks again for the info

Glad to see new results posted

Do you know if blood work was done on the "kit" that the vial was taken from?

TY

-BroFessorX

 

[rutman]

I hate to be "the one", but am I the only person who can't decipher the results?


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[LA_1988]

I hate to be "the one", but am I the only person who can't decipher the results?


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I was just coming here to ask someone to dumb that down for me

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[ProfessorX]

I hate to be "the one", but am I the only person who can't decipher the results?


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Molecular Weight: 22,129.0 (Growth Hormone)

Total Residue in Sequence: 191

Total mgs of powder residue within vial: 51.30

Total mgs of HGH within vial: .08

IU's within the vial: .25

(This is how I'm reading it)

.16% of the total powder mass of 51.30 mgs is active HGH - 0.08208 mgs

 

[LA_1988]

Molecular Weight: 22,129.0 (Growth Hormone)

Total Residue in Sequence: 191

Total mgs of powder residue within vial: 51.30

Total mgs of HGH within vial: .08

IU's within the vial: .25

(This is how I'm reading it)

So bunk..??

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[ProfessorX]

So bunk..??

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No....its Growth Hormone. Very little amount though

The amount within the vial is not as advertised according to the test result

(This is my interpretation of it.) (Follow-up blood work would be ideal)

 

[fodsod]

Where does it come from? The Grey I mean. Where did you buy it?

do you have pic of the whole vial as well? It's the grey coming from TP/HK/PD?

I've seen plenty of grey tops that are crap but NOT from PD/TP. I'd really like to know exactly where they came from before casting doubt on product that has shown to work as it should.

 

[ProfessorX]

I've seen plenty of grey tops that are crap but NOT from PD/TP. I'd really like to know exactly where they came from before casting doubt on product that has shown to work as it should.

It's been quite awhile...but...I recall Jim and Mands testing a Grey Top and an Ansomone AnkeBio (Chinese PHARMA)

Both tested similar/same

I was always under the impression that the Grey Tops were an unlabeled ANSOMONE product with all the good reviews and blood work

I don't use any of the Generics because there is no regulation of the product

But, I did see members giving good reviews of the "Greys"

This "grey" sample doesn't seem to fit that criteria

 

[Wunderpus]

OK this is the first of several samples to come. To that end few have any idea how long it takes to ensure everything is done correctly! Nonetheless shit still happens especially when one is dealing with MOUNDS of info many don't have the patience or the fund of knowledge required for it to be useful.

Really guys understand the educational background of Meso members is as diverse as the US population and some want to be told HOW MANY IU's are in that vial (which is underlined), while others will want "proof" so they can continue to sell their "generic GH".

As for the latter, enough is never enough bc their primary motivation is to DISPROVE the evidence based nature of this data. Consequently until said UGLs post their own GH data which used VERIFIABLE technology and methodologies on level with ours, such discussions are not worth my time and will not be had!

The bottom line; Meso members must decide for themselves how to get the most bang for their PED buck

Oh and sorry but the IUs were not underlined in this instance but are at the BOTTOM of W/S (Work sheet) page 1

Jim, can we get some info as to where this "Grey" was purchased and when?

@mands and @muscle96ss this seems to come as a surprise to me if these are the same Greys we are familiar with (TP & PD).... Thoughts?

 

[XKawN]

I don't have any grey tops on hand, grey tops as in "the greytops", but I don't remember them saying flip off on the tops. Is this not one of the greytops from one of the 3 majors?

 

[rutman]

I don't have any grey tops on hand, grey tops as in "the greytops", but I don't remember them saying flip off on the tops. Is this not one of the greytops from one of the 3 majors?

The ones I have do.

But.....come to think it it, my previous kit didn't. I'm on the kit now that says flip top and I'm not getting any sides at all. I was getting sides with the unmarked tops.

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[DickySmalls]

Oh and sorry but the IUs were not underlined in this instance but are at the BOTTOM of W/S (Work sheet) page 1

I love the bottom of that page where it says:

according to the "internet", 1 mg =3 IU's of HGH

The ones I have do.

But.....come to think it it, my previous kit didn't. I'm on the kit now that says flip top and I'm not getting any sides at all. I was getting sides with the unmarked tops.

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They're shipped without the labels/boxes. Those cost $50 extra and are mailed separately. So, it's possible that your source pulled a bait and switch on you. Why not just get bloods for IGF-1? I took this pic a day ago:

 

[rutman]

I love the bottom of that page where it says:

according to the "internet", 1 mg =3 IU's of HGH



They're shipped without the labels/boxes. Those cost $50 extra and are mailed separately. So, it's possible that your source pulled a bait and switch on you. Why not just get bloods for IGF-1? I took this pic a day ago:

What the fuck are you talking about? PD ships all his in boxes and with labels.

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[LA_1988]

I love the bottom of that page where it says:

according to the "internet", 1 mg =3 IU's of HGH



They're shipped without the labels/boxes. Those cost $50 extra and are mailed separately. So, it's possible that your source pulled a bait and switch on you. Why not just get bloods for IGF-1? I took this pic a day ago:

What we are talking about is actually stamped into the plastic top of the vial .. not printed on any label

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