"Generic" GH ASSAYS

Dr JIM

Member
@Millard Baker

In addition I would have absolutely no problem forwarding ALL THE DATA to an expert qualified in the field of analytical or laboratory chemistry, as doing so can only benefit Meso and its members!

Regs
JIM

Now if only those at PM would do the same what is there to debate, not much, but THAT wont happen, IME
 

muscle96ss

Member
Now if only those at PM would do the same what is there to debate, not much, but THAT wont happen, IME

Jim, I would be happy to provide with you every single piece of data we have and then proceed to have a civil and productive discussion!! This has been my goal from day one and I have articulated it numerous times; too have a productive conversation. not a shitfest. If we combine our teams with all the real world expertise and knowledge working together in unison; we could accomplish so much more than we are accomplishing right now.
 

Dr JIM

Member
AAA is much cheaper
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That depends upon the equipment being used and the lab itself BUT in general an AAA is certainly less expensive than HPLC. I only mention this bc Meso members must ready themselves to pool funds to conduct their own GH testing.

However its also important to note AAA is more tedious and requires a higher level of expertise than HPLC in most instances.

One clear advantage of HPLC over an AAA is that the former can be used to test an almost unlimited number of compounds while an AAA is restricted to PROTEINS.

The above compromise is the sacrifice one has to make to achieve the degree of sensitivity ONLY seen with an AAA and I quote the "AAA REVIEW" citation I posted earlier:
……. "such that 100 pmol of EACH amino acid or 5 pmol of a 50-kDa protein can be QUANTIFIED with relative ease".

And to think some are disputing the accuracy of an AAA in MILLIGRAMS a difference of at least 10,000 units, once MW is taken into consideration.

(That being said, the chairman of our lab has stated; to be on the safe side the margin of error for the assays you're conducting is around 1-2%, BUT exceptions do occur, and to capture all those outliers a 10% marin of error may be possible in some samples) If one would like to KNOW more about those factors which may effect AAA results READ THE ARTICLE I POSTED, yea I know some will consider that information biased also.

What's the accuracy of HPLC you ask? Somewhere between 0.5 to 0.01 MILLIGRAMS depending upon a variety of factors.

But no matter how I explain it some will NEVER BELIEVE and why is that, ignorance perhaps, yet I've no doubt bias, in this case "sellers bias", plays a major role!
 
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In the absence of an independent accredited laboratory or independent expert qualified in the field of analytical chemistry to stand behind the results, I think the best first step is exactly what you are doing and that is posting ALL THE DATA for each sample. The next step is presentation in a manner that will allow the DATA to remain front and center in any ensuing discussion. I hope we can do that on MESO.

I brought up AnabolicLab forums as another option because it is relatively neutral territory where any biases related to forum loyalty will be minimized.
 

Dr JIM

Member
Sure I understand Millard but there is one significant difference bt what MANDS and I have done compared to what Anabolic Labs has done, and that is ALL OF OUR TESTING IS LEGAL! (in the US :) )

So why not release the name of the lab?

Out of respect for the lab and it's employees bc would you or anyone else want to be inundated with many of the same questions that arise on this thread by FIFTY PEOPLE!

How many on Meso become frustrated (me :) ) with fundamental NOOB questions like
how much Masteron do I need for a cycle, but I'm good on the other stuff.

This is a highly respected and well established protein lab and one needs to have a reasonable understanding of analytical testing before asking questions related to; accuracy, turnaround time, cost etc bc for everyone of those queries THEY WILL HAVE A "its depends" upon …….!

And lets not also overlook the number of conspiracy theorists who have nothing better to do than stir the pot thru phone inquiries about "Dr Jims" lab testing, COL! Of course all these assays are strictly confidential BUT I respect and appreciate what this lab does on a professional level, and can not become their inadvertent nemesis.

That being said Im happy to disclose the name of the lab once its clear a spokesperson has been declared, with the objective being to continue what MANDS and I started.

BUT I'll be a "dead man" if I post the name of the involved lab in bold face on MESO, LOL!
 
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Sure I understand Millard but there is one significant difference bt what MANDS and I have done compared to what Anabolic Labs has done, and that is ALL OF OUR TESTING IS LEGAL! (in the US :) )
No. I don't see the difference. All of the AAS testing is legal in Switzerland.
 
So why not release the name of the lab?

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That being said Im happy to disclose the name of the lab once its clear a spokesperson has been declared, with the objective being to continue what MANDS and I started.

If this is possible, I would highly recommend doing so. It will save you a lot of headache.

AnabolicLab would have never commenced its testing program if it didn't have an accredited analytical laboratory to stand behind the results. Once that's no longer possible, AnabolicLab will suspend its testing program.
 

heady muscle

Member
AnabolicLab.com Supporter
Sure I understand Millard but there is one significant difference bt what MANDS and I have done compared to what Anabolic Labs has done, and that is ALL OF OUR TESTING IS LEGAL! (in the US :) )

So why not release the name of the lab?

Out of respect for the lab and it's employees bc would you or anyone else want to be inundated with many of the same questions that arise on this thread by FIFTY PEOPLE!

How many on Meso become frustrated (me :) ) with fundamental NOOB questions like
how much Masteron do I need for a cycle, but I'm good on the other stuff.

This is a highly respected and well established protein lab and one needs to have a reasonable understanding of analytical testing before asking questions related to; accuracy, turnaround time, cost etc bc for everyone of those queries THEY WILL HAVE A "its depends" upon …….!

And lets not also overlook the number of conspiracy theorists who have nothing better to do than stir the pot thru phone inquiries about "Dr Jims" lab testing, COL! Of course all these assays are strictly confidential BUT I respect and appreciate what this lab does on a professional level, and can not become their inadvertent nemesis.

That being said Im happy to disclose the name of the lab once its clear a spokesperson has been declared, with the objective being to continue what MANDS and I started.

BUT I'll be a "dead man" if I post the name of the involved lab in bold face on MESO, LOL!
If this is possible, I would highly recommend doing so. It will save you a lot of headache.

AnabolicLab would have never commenced its testing program if it didn't have an accredited analytical laboratory to stand behind the results. Once that's no longer possible, AnabolicLab will suspend its testing program.

Maybe the best possibly way of sharing the lab name @Dr JIM Jim is telling Millard. Millard can keep the name of the lab under his hat, check it out for all of the "conspiracy theorists," and let them know the labs A OKAY or not without divulging the name. I think most people here trust Millard (and the few that don't, who cares) and will respect his word.
 
Maybe the best possibly way of sharing the lab name @Dr JIM Jim is telling Millard. Millard can keep the name of the lab under his hat, check it out for all of the "conspiracy theorists," and let them know the labs A OKAY or not without divulging the name. I think most people here trust Millard (and the few that don't, who cares) and will respect his word.
The lab is exactly as @Dr JIM says but only the lab itself can stand behind the work done. And this means it must be publicly identified.
 

BigAli

Member
The simple truth here is that the members want to take HGH and the cheapest one.

That's why when PM posts the results of their HPLC and almost all of them have a purity of 97%+ (LOL) they (NOOBs) get happy and start buying the shit.

It's funny that when PM posted their lab results, not a lot of complaints came up. Because they either delete the post or ban the member (straight contradiction against internet laws and open media).

Now they come here barking that the results here are different than ours.WHY? because they can't have their shady business anymore. It's all about the money. FUCK OFF!

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THE MEMBERS "WANT" TO SEE GOOD LAB RESULTS and as a consequence have a false peace of mind that the "generic" HGH they're buying has excellent purity. That's why when a lab result (of a product that they've already purchased and used many times) doesn't come out as good, a lot of conspiracy theories come up.

As one of the members mentioned in the other thread, results are already better than what we expected.
 

muscle96ss

Member
Meso does believe in transparency but @BigAli's "other username" doesn't address the VERY valid points he raised.

And what valid points are those? I have a bunch of Simec tests on my computer that show 30iu's in Karl's GH and a bunch of other overdosed products that would make the sponsors look great. But I choose not to post them because I know they are innacurate(which Simec even admits is very possible). If you have any questions about our testing; fire away. I have never been shy to answer any questions nor has jano.
 

CdnGuy

Member
I've been thinking a few things coming from theses test results.
Regardless if it's ugl Aas or generic GH being tested, there coming from the unregulated world. So how can one be realistic and completely confident. To think a cheaper GH at a Pharm quality is so easily achieved and readily available? Imo seeing these results are more believable and should be expected with those facts no? Not to mention some guys here have stated the GH is being delivered prior to a "final regulated inspection". So the fact the same guys are using the "conspiracy theory" for poor numbers to the admitted unregulated GH is embarrassing. Also its very ironic for myself, seeing as I am guilty of just that in the past "conspiracy theories" lol At leasts my doubts came from the continuous perfect scores(to good to be true) in the known sketchy world of ugl's and raws. If the doubters here want perfect scores may I suggest becoming fanboys for a certain ugl here lol :D
Good night
 
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muscle96ss

Member
I've been thinking a few things coming from theses test results.
Regardless if it's ugl Aas or generic GH being tested, there coming from the unregulated world. So how can one be realistic and completely confident. To think a cheaper GH at a Pharm quality is so easily achieved and readily available? Imo seeing these results are more believable and should be expected with those facts no? Not to mention some guys here have stated the GH is being delivered prior to a "final regulated inspection". So the fact the same guys are using the "conspiracy theory" for poor numbers to the admitted unregulated GH is embarrassing. Also its very ironic for myself, seeing as I am guilty of just that in the past "conspiracy theories" lol At leasts my doubts came from the continuous perfect scores(to good to be true) in the known sketchy world of ugl's and raws. If the doubters here want perfect scores may I suggest becoming fanboys for a certain ugl here lol :D
Good night

I actually agree with you in terms of it being unregulated. Some of the GH's actually are regulated and from legit plants. But most are not and the normal buyer really has no way of knowing what is and what isn't; so its basically a gamble. At the same time, pharma is a gamble as well unless you are getting it from a legit Rx as you have no idea where the source got it from and if it is counterfeit or not.
 

Dr JIM

Member
I have never been shy to answer any questions nor has jano.

Questions don't answer that which can only be displayed thru
graphic, procedural, worksheet
and computer analysis of raw data.

So where is the data that should accompany the few HPLCS listed on PM.

Talk is cheap MH and your full of self righteous lip service.
 

Dr JIM

Member
I actually agree with you in terms of it being unregulated. Some of the GH's actually are regulated and from legit plants. But most are not and the normal buyer really has no way of knowing what is and what isn't; so its basically a gamble. At the same time, pharma is a gamble as well unless you are getting it from a legit Rx as you have no idea where the source got it from and if it is counterfeit or not.

More contradictory BS bc legit PHARMA is by definition not counterfeit and there are several means available to authenticate a Pharma product.

But then again you wouldn't care to KNOW much about that bc you're comitted to generic GH sales!

Finally these assays strongly suggest the majority of samples
tested ARE being manufactured (entirely or separately) in a PHARMACEUTICAL PLANT.

What is not known is how they will perform on a bio-equivalent basis or whether other quality control measures have been included or omitted.

And the latter is the inherent risk all generic GH users must be willing to accept OR decline.

But is that any different from any other UGL PED, AAS in particular.
 

muscle96ss

Member
Questions don't answer that which can only be displayed thru
graphic, procedural, worksheet
and computer analysis of raw data.

So where is the data that should accompany the few HPLCS listed on PM.

Talk is cheap MH and your full of self righteous lip service.

Send me a PM with the email address you would like the information sent to.
 

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