Genetec Pharmaceuticals (Canadian Domestic) intro post.

[3ml]

To each all our own.

Reputation to me only means soo much.
Lots of sources have good reps but sometimes product is only as good as the last batch.

Don't get me wrong. Even my sources I use aren't perfect. They've tested under. And with UGL I do expect that. It comes with the game. But the testing helps to hold them accountable.

And customer service does matter too!!!

Needless I am curious to see another Canadian UGL on meso.
Maybe soon they'll become part of anabolic lab.

Here is another thing to consider.
I’m not sure how long it takes to get stuff sent off to get analyzed but put yourself in a labs shoes.
Customs is an issue these days. So you finally get a shipment in after losing 1 or 2 perhaps. Are you going to now send a sample away and wait a few weeks to get results before you start brewing?
See there is two sides to every story. If that was the case think of the inventory a lab would have to carry. Do labs make money yes...but unless it’s a big operation like mission was these guys aren’t becoming big time rich. I’d would venture to say they make a comfortable living but at a lot of risk, monetarily, legally, what if organized crime sniffs them out and wants a taste. At the end of the day we are really lucky. Things have changed for the better in the last couple decades I can assure you of that.
At one time we didn’t have a menu of gear at our finger tips. We had very limited drug selection. You got what your dealer had and you paid out the fucking ass for it quite happily.
The other option was to order from overseas. But online sources weren’t out in the open you had to find them. Problem was no one wanted to give up their overseas sources because that was their little honey pot they would import enough for themselves and their buddies to pay for their own gear and maybe make a buck or two...if it didn’t get seized. Now it’s juice is like ordering off of amazon..but quicker lol

 

[Steve84]

Here is another thing to consider.
I’m not sure how long it takes to get stuff sent off to get analyzed but put yourself in a labs shoes.
Customs is an issue these days. So you finally get a shipment in after losing 1 or 2 perhaps. Are you going to now send a sample away and wait a few weeks to get results before you start brewing?
See there is two sides to every story. If that was the case think of the inventory a lab would have to carry. Do labs make money yes...but unless it’s a big operation like mission was these guys aren’t becoming big time rich. I’d would venture to say they make a comfortable living but at a lot of risk, monetarily, legally, what if organized crime sniffs them out and wants a taste. At the end of the day we are really lucky. Things have changed for the better in the last couple decades I can assure you of that.
At one time we didn’t have a menu of gear at our finger tips. We had very limited drug selection. You got what your dealer had and you paid out the fucking ass for it quite happily.
The other option was to order from overseas. But online sources weren’t out in the open you had to find them. Problem was no one wanted to give up their overseas sources because that was their little honey pot they would import enough for themselves and their buddies to pay for their own gear and maybe make a buck or two...if it didn’t get seized. Now it’s juice is like ordering off of amazon..but quicker lol

Fyi testing only is about 3 weeks...
That's only carrying 1 bottle to cover that time frame. Hahaha
Not a big issue really....

Customs does suck ass... which is why I've been investing more of my time and money into domestic sources.

I'm just not gonna give Genetec a golden pass... like other sources I'm gonna criticize and say let's see some testing.

 

[3ml]

Fyi testing only is about 3 weeks...
That's only carrying 1 bottle to cover that time frame. Hahaha
Not a big issue really....

Customs does suck ass... which is why I've been investing more of my time and money into domestic sources.

I'm just not gonna give Genetec a golden pass... like other sources I'm gonna criticize and say let's see some testing.

I see you are missing my point

You order raws from overseas...they take forever to get here. Then send product for testing. If you are going get every batch tested wouldn’t you wait for the test results prior to brewing?
So now your raw inventory is sitting for an additional 3 weeks

 

[Steve84]

I see you are missing my point

You order raws from overseas...they take forever to get here. Then send product for testing. If you are going get every batch tested wouldn’t you wait for the test results prior to brewing?
So now your raw inventory is sitting for an additional 3 weeks

I never missed your point. I would only expect a big operation to test every raw. But I think sources should do some testing. It's one of those hard things, if you don't know purity of your raw, how can you accurately dose a finished product.

I just said I'd like to see some testing from this source. Lab sending stuff is sketchy but I still like it. And then some random testing.

As well as a testing reimbursement policy by them. So someone can buy and surprise the lab by testing it.
That was my point. Somewhat of a testing policy.

 

[3ml]

I never missed your point. I would only expect a big operation to test every raw. But I think sources should do some testing. It's one of those hard things, if you don't know purity of your raw, how can you accurately dose a finished product.

I just said I'd like to see some testing from this source. Lab sending stuff is sketchy but I still like it. And then some random testing.

As well as a testing reimbursement policy by them. So someone can buy and surprise the lab by testing it.
That was my point. Somewhat of a testing policy.

Well me personally I wouldn’t reimburse everyone that wants to test product. Imagine the expense that would be.
I’m sure the lab has some sort of method to ensure they are getting what they paid for.
It’s obviously not in their best interest to put out a sub par product

 

[Steve84]

Well me personally I wouldn’t reimburse everyone that wants to test product. Imagine the expense that would be.
I’m sure the lab has some sort of method to ensure they are getting what they paid for.
It’s obviously not in their best interest to put out a sub par product

Well me personally I wouldn’t reimburse everyone that wants to test product. Imagine the expense that would be.
I’m sure the lab has some sort of method to ensure they are getting what they paid for.
It’s obviously not in their best interest to put out a sub par product

Is that your official rep response??

It never is in a lab's best interest to put out sub par products but they do.
Lots of labs offer testing reimbursement...should Genetec be different?
I think that's a bad position to take but that's just my opinion, and i'd really question a lab that doesn't offer some sort of testing program.

 

[3ml]

Is that your official rep response??

It never is in a lab's best interest to put out sub par products but they do.
Lots of labs offer testing reimbursement...should Genetec be different?
I think that's a bad position to take but that's just my opinion, and i'd really question a lab that doesn't offer some sort of testing program.

It’s not MY official response.
I’m not the Lab. I’m saying what I would do.

What labs currently are offering testing reimbursement? I’d love to see a list. And let’s keep it Canadian

Where do you draw the line? If every customer wanted to get testing done would YOU as a lab pay for every single customers testing? Get real!

I think you are being overly Anal about this topic to be honest. Why don’t you harp on your buddy CDNA like you are on Genetec?
Genetec has a boatload or happy customers so what’s the issue?

Anyhow not my circus not my monkey.

 

[Steve84]

It’s not MY official response.
I’m not the Lab. I’m saying what I would do.

What labs currently are offering testing reimbursement? I’d love to see a list. And let’s keep it Canadian

Where do you draw the line? If every customer wanted to get testing done would YOU as a lab pay for every single customers testing? Get real!

I think you are being overly Anal about this topic to be honest. Why don’t you harp on your buddy CDNA like you are on Genetec?
Genetec has a boatload or happy customers so what’s the issue?

Anyhow not my circus not my monkey.

Who said I'm not after cdnda who is actually offering testing...
Pareto has offered for testing.
I can't say I've gone after any other label for it yet either, but there's 2 to start.

Who said everyone is happy with Genetec???
I haven't seen anyone post anything yet aside from big hi's and such.
I never said anything bad about them fyi.... Just us talking about testing. It seems you are on the defensive that I've just criticized them a little bit.
There are also mixed reviews on other boards.

Isn't this supposed to be "the grinder" ?? Haha

 

[Apexvallen]

I've got >1500 bloods sitting in my drawer somewhere on 300mg p/w of genetec test e. I'll post tomorrow evening. Having a busy weekend.,

 

[Apexvallen]

Also greatstuff has treated me like I'm a long lost brother or something. Very solid contact to have in the AAS world imo.

 

[acro]

Steve84 the only person who's really looking out for others cause he sends misc items out for testing in his own dime and provides the results to others. Never seen so many test ordered by 1 person x.x

jw Has anyone ever sent anything of Genetec out to get it analyzed?

 

[Apexvallen]

Yes Steve has definitely invested time and money to help others. Very impressive and much respect to him. I'll look into sending away a vial of mast E to analyser.

 

[acro]

someone should set up a go fund me account or something to send stuff in! that way we can hold every lab accountable >: D

 

[Fattest_animal]

For what it's worth @Steve84 ...

I'm doing a 12 week cycle of Test E/P and some anavar with Genetec. I'm not getting bloods, but I'm getting the results I should be getting. I planned on doing Mast as well, but decided to do it on my next cycle.

My pump is amazing after each workout and I keep getting stronger.

 

[UpNorth]

I see you are missing my point

You order raws from overseas...they take forever to get here. Then send product for testing. If you are going get every batch tested wouldn’t you wait for the test results prior to brewing?
So now your raw inventory is sitting for an additional 3 weeks

I don’t think your words are doing any heavy lifting bro

I would let someone more educated on the topic speak, you’re ruining confidence in an otherwise strong intro

 

[ETownSmoke]

I’ve tried a handful of items from Genetec and I can happily say they all did exactly what I expected plus more. Hell their tren at 150-200 a week was too much for me, my sanity and girlfriend are to important to me so I had to cut it out. I will happily continue to use them in the future.

As for GreatStuff, he’s has been exceptional to deal with. He’s full of great knowledge and help and treats his clients great. One of the better reps I’ve dealt with.

3ml is one opinion that I trust on here, yes he likes his Genetec but he has also talked highly of other labs which show he’s not one sided.

 

[3ml]

I don’t think your words are doing any heavy lifting bro

I would let someone more educated on the topic speak, you’re ruining confidence in an otherwise strong intro

I’d say that’s your opinion which you are entitled too. I respectfully disagree.

 

[3ml]

Who said I'm not after cdnda who is actually offering testing...
Pareto has offered for testing.
I can't say I've gone after any other label for it yet either, but there's 2 to start.

Who said everyone is happy with Genetec???
I haven't seen anyone post anything yet aside from big hi's and such.
I never said anything bad about them fyi.... Just us talking about testing. It seems you are on the defensive that I've just criticized them a little bit.
There are also mixed reviews on other boards.

Isn't this supposed to be "the grinder" ?? Haha

You said “lots” of labs offer testing
I don’t personally believe 2 is a lot but I guess that is up to interpretation.

I hear ya on the grinder...it’s good to keep a lab on its toes. I just personally feel like maybe some of your expectations are a little high. If you go on any other board this really isn’t even brought up. That being said I agree some sort of testing would be nice for each and every lab out there. As we mentioned before though there is ways to skew results and it all comes full circle back to trust.

Here is what I propose. Instead of bickering back and forth since really it isn’t our decision to make how about this, perhaps move this topic over to the Canadian forum. Then discuss as a community what we would like to see from labs in regards to testing. That would be beneficial for everyone. The labs could read what the community wants and if they choose to listen or add input or institute a testing policy that’s up to them. At the end of the day the consumer wants the best product possible but also we need to have realistic expectations of what we expect from a lab. These are my thoughts anyhow.

 

[Steve84]

You said “lots” of labs offer testing
I don’t personally believe 2 is a lot but I guess that is up to interpretation.

I hear ya on the grinder...it’s good to keep a lab on its toes. I just personally feel like maybe some of your expectations are a little high. If you go on any other board this really isn’t even brought up. That being said I agree some sort of testing would be nice for each and every lab out there. As we mentioned before though there is ways to skew results and it all comes full circle back to trust.

Here is what I propose. Instead of bickering back and forth since really it isn’t our decision to make how about this, perhaps move this topic over to the Canadian forum. Then discuss as a community what we would like to see from labs in regards to testing. That would be beneficial for everyone. The labs could read what the community wants and if they choose to listen or add input or institute a testing policy that’s up to them. At the end of the day the consumer wants the best product possible but also we need to have realistic expectations of what we expect from a lab. These are my thoughts anyhow.

You said 2 Canadian.. Those are all I know of really that I've looked into and grilled about it.
Meso is bigger than Canadian labs and I think both US and CAD and worldwide labs should all be treated the same.
Anabolic lab would be awesome for Canadian labs to get on.
Maybe if I knew a bit more about the security side of things I'd start up on a go fund me account.

Actually, instead of us bickering,
How about the Rep comes on and says where he thinks this lab should stand.
Honestly you are talking like the rep and his position.
Testing is more and more common for every lab now.

How about the Rep decides what he will or won't do. Then we can criticize him or not.
As specifically I would like to know his position.

Your opinion 3ML is great sometimes but on this one, I think we all know where your interests lie.
And you seem to be pushing a stance of no testing.
Why is that???

 

[3ml]

Not once did I say there shouldn’t be testing.
Nor have I insinuated that.

Actually if you knew me better you would know that I was on a testing mission for about a year straight on various Canadian Generic GH kits. I’ve spent more money than I’d like to admit on garbage kits and blood wit, Also caused many arguments and basically risked being blacklisted from other forums due to my anti Canadian Generic GH stance. So it’s not like I don’t believe in testing trust me.

You are correct though let’s let Genetec answer where they stand on this.

On my end of things
I have tried many labs in the last few years
Orion
Mission
BT
Progressive
Trans
Terragon
Orbit
Metabolic
Almere
Prob some others I’m forgetting

Some I would use again and some I wouldn’t use if you gave it to me for free.
I’ve nevet asked for testing but that is just me. I been doing this long enough I know what I’m happy with and what I am not. Others may not have that experience so testing would be good.