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I know reading and comprehending is hard lol but i said i will supply all the info after weekend, i asked the lab i use for COA in english and they also tested tren e and tren a powders on fri so once i get it all i will post it here IMMEDIATLY for you mofos
It appears to be harder for some then others.
@Mighty-mouse asked you a good question that should be addressed. Were not on your timeline champ, you need to be on ours. Or keep going the way you're going and enjoy the short stay.
Mighty-mouse
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I know reading and comprehending is hard lol but i said i will supply all the info after weekend, i asked the lab i use for COA in english and they also tested tren e and tren a powders on fri so once i get it all i will post it here IMMEDIATLY for you mofos
So avoid my question all together huh?
I will post mill picture for you after weekend , i use Cab-o-sil type of silca 1-2%.
As far as which suppliers mills powders to spec, my supplier dose it for me, we have been cooperating for 7 years, obviously it is way easier for them in china to do it propely than for ug lab like me, they use conical mills and planetary ball mills and can test the partice size on site with vabirating sieve shaker.
I dont have this althou i am thinking about getting small planetary ball mill and sieve shaker this will kind of make me independent form supplier.
As far as which suppliers mills powders to spec, my supplier dose it for me, we have been cooperating for 7 years, obviously it is way easier for them in china to do it propely than for ug lab like me, they use conical mills and planetary ball mills and can test the partice size on site with vabirating sieve shaker.
I dont have this althou i am thinking about getting small planetary ball mill and sieve shaker this will kind of make me independent form supplier.
as far as sterilisation in dry heat here is a standard for dry heat sterilisation.
"The dry heat sterilization process is accomplished by conduction; that is where heat is absorbed by the exterior surface of an item and then passed inward to the next layer. Eventually, the entire item reaches the proper temperature needed to achieve sterilization. The proper time and temperature for dry heat sterilization is 160 °C (320 °F) for 2 hours or 170 °C (340 °F) for 1 hour or in the case of High Velocity Hot Air sterilisers 190°C (375°F) for 6 to 12 minutes.[3]"
as far as pressing tablets go i am not missing any steps, this is direct compression, there is no wet or dry granulaiton involved.
Magnetic stirres are good for low volumes and still are inconsistent over time hence it is easier, faster and end results are much more predictable and repetable with overhead mixer. thats why i prefer to use it.
"The dry heat sterilization process is accomplished by conduction; that is where heat is absorbed by the exterior surface of an item and then passed inward to the next layer. Eventually, the entire item reaches the proper temperature needed to achieve sterilization. The proper time and temperature for dry heat sterilization is 160 °C (320 °F) for 2 hours or 170 °C (340 °F) for 1 hour or in the case of High Velocity Hot Air sterilisers 190°C (375°F) for 6 to 12 minutes.[3]"
as far as pressing tablets go i am not missing any steps, this is direct compression, there is no wet or dry granulaiton involved.
Magnetic stirres are good for low volumes and still are inconsistent over time hence it is easier, faster and end results are much more predictable and repetable with overhead mixer. thats why i prefer to use it.
mp46
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Guess I need to brush up on my tab making skills. As far as I remember, Ball mills are super expensive and only process small amounts at a time. A typical cap or tab has about .5-1.0 ml of volume and the ball mills I’ve seen in the lab process a few hundred ml at a time. That means a few packs at a time, for a lab as big as you claim to be, you have the leverage to make requests from your raw supplier like this, how are you going to keep up with capacity?
Brother you can buy 5-20l ball mill for 800$ , planetary ball mill with 4x1l is about 2k$ but milling time of already fine powders is short but it has to be checked it cannot be guess work thou.
, i dont think i understand your qestion about requesting milling powder form supplier? i have asked like 5 diffrent suppliers if they can mill raws to spec and all of them confirmed, Alliance raws for instance has offerd me oxandrolone and winny micronised from stock, the only problem is the average particle size they offered i think was 20micron D50=20micron and my MCC as i already said is 100 micron.
, i dont think i understand your qestion about requesting milling powder form supplier? i have asked like 5 diffrent suppliers if they can mill raws to spec and all of them confirmed, Alliance raws for instance has offerd me oxandrolone and winny micronised from stock, the only problem is the average particle size they offered i think was 20micron D50=20micron and my MCC as i already said is 100 micron.
mp46
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Well fuck, I guess I’ve been doing it wrong that I clave my vials at 400-500 for 90 minutes.
You’re also contradicting yourself with your on the fly research.
You originally said
but now you’re linking to information on Wikipedia that says 120 at 160c is the minimum. So at first you wanted us to think you were going over the reccomended limit for increased safety when in fact your only meeting the minimum.
Also, that’s 120min at 160c. That’s not turn it on for 120min, it takes time for the chamber to heat up and all the glass to get up to 160c. What are you doing to ensure that the oven and vials are up to 160c before you start the 120min timer?
mp46
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No way that’s lab quality, the invoice for a 4x100ml was almost $5k. There could very well be cheap ones that get the job done I’ve just never looked that far into them for what I’m involved in.
I am not contradicring anything, the zalmed technican reccomended 90min sterilisation time , i sterilise at 120min as this is standard.
Oven get to warm up to 160c and then timer is set to 135min allowing time for glass surfaces to achive 160c.
It is up to to belive is mill is lab quality or not, it is what the end result is, it if mills to spec you need that is it!
Oven get to warm up to 160c and then timer is set to 135min allowing time for glass surfaces to achive 160c.
It is up to to belive is mill is lab quality or not, it is what the end result is, it if mills to spec you need that is it!
mp46
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Don’t think I’d want to deal with a supplier that doesn’t understand sterilization practices. Are they an actual med supply store or just buy med in their name like sources put lab in their name to sound legit?
Personally I try not to memorize those things so I’m forced to look at my charts and ensure Im doing it correctly.
Not doing business with a lab that insults potential customers over asking pertinent questions. Snooty bitch, this isn't bop.
I have been doing this for long time, even if i didnt want to memorize it after a while it becomes routine.
As far as the ball mill goes i chceked it with the producer and they have all the required certificates, i know you gonna say it is chinese but ppl ahe no problem injecting products based on chinese powder so why would the equipment they make be bad?
http://www.planetary-ballmill.com/products-0-0-1.html
@TX_Hempknight
So far i answered all the questions and the cert i said already like 3 Times it will be posted after weekend so dont call me a snoty bitch i didnt deserve it lol
I said snooty bitch. I will touch on the rest of this after ive had lunch and a nap. Until then, try to keep your snippy comments to yourself. It really isn't going to help you at all. Now back to your regularly scheduled booing.
Booo!
Shame....
mp46
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Dude, go back and read. I specifically said there could be cheaper mills that get the job done, I just don’t have experience with them. I’m not saying whatever you have is a piece of shit, I’m just saying I know nothing about low end mills.
My other comment was directed at your supplier for telling you incorrect sterilization times. If your supplier doesn’t know these things, what other issues do they have.
Additionally, I made a personal note, hence the word “personally.” You do what you want.
My other comment was directed at your supplier for telling you incorrect sterilization times. If your supplier doesn’t know these things, what other issues do they have.
Additionally, I made a personal note, hence the word “personally.” You do what you want.
mp46
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Didn't realize bacteria died faster in countries that used the metric system. I'll keep that in mind.
You shouldn't be guessing if the sterilization times are correct or not depending on who's standard you're using or who's disseminating the information. You should have a definitive concrete answer as to what your sterilization process is and how you came to that conclusion.
T-Bagger
Elite
Off to a great start! Insulting us and thinking that throwing in a “lol” makes it better. I maintain my original stance - fuck off.
I already know you not gonna like me for what i am about to post but terminal death time of bacteria in forced air Convection oven is 60min at 160c, in eu and usa the same but the sterilisaiton process as we all know is not only about killing bacterias right.
I am not guessing and i am not confused about sterilisation standard hence 120min sterilisation time as per gmp guidelines.
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