Yeah even a retard can brew with guiacol that wasn't the point of the conversation and one that use 20% guiacol is really a retard but nevermind
Since im selling this stuff to customers and i cant risk it to be crushed and since i inform them about guaicol and they are fine with this that makes me way away for being a retard you smartass
 
Since im selling this stuff to customers and i cant risk it to be crushed and since i inform them about guaicol and they are fine with this that makes me way away for being a retard you smartass
You still a retard my man, Max of guiacol you need is 10℅ at best. You just throw the kitchen sink approach to it because you can't bother or your ain't bright enough to find a proper recipe for it.

Your clients are retarded as much as you doesn't change a thing
 
You still a retard my man, Max of guiacol you need is 10℅ at best. You just throw the kitchen sink approach to it because you can't bother or your ain't bright enough to find a proper recipe for it.

Your clients are retarded as much as you doesn't change a thing
Do you ever say anything good about anyone or you are just one of these keyboard fighters that continuously offend ppl thinking that you know everything like you were born with all the knowledge planted in you brain? Since you know so much as you always claim since you are continuously insult ppl you should help the others not trashtalk all the time
 
he is pretty damn smart when it comes to finding the proper ratios for brews.
And he is very good at telling people that they are doing retarded stuff. No point arguing with him about that. 20%G is very retarded, unless you are living outside the arctic research station.
 
he is pretty damn smart when it comes to finding the proper ratios for brews.
And he is very good at telling people that they are doing retarded stuff. No point arguing with him about that. 20%G is very retarded, unless you are living outside the arctic research station.
Maybe you are right but this is not the proper way to address to people all the time. If he is so smart as you claim then he could help people as a smart guy would do and not offend eveyone like a retard would do
 
smart and patient are not the same thing. Plus, offending people a bit is a part of the forum etiquette imo, you gotta give people shit for doing stupid stuff so those habits do not proliferate.
But i do get your point. feelz bad getting called stupid for something you have been / are doing, even if the thing was a bit stupid. Gotta work through that though.
 
tra oils brewed with >98% purity raws.



no
you can get both at the same mg/ml sure

in 100 mg
with 98% raw, you get 98mg TRE and 2mg of unknown crap.
with 85% raws, you get 85mg TRE and 15mg unknown crap.

to compensate, you use more raws, and inject more unknown stuff.
Thats what i was telling him. But thank you
 
Maybe you are right but this is not the proper way to address to people all the time. If he is so smart as you claim then he could help people as a smart guy would do and not offend eveyone like a retard would do
I'm calling you retarded because your approach is the same as killing a mosquito with a flamethrower. If you saw something like that how would you call that individual? A retard.

An approach like this means only two things: you are stupid (and you shouldn't brew and sell) or you are lazy (and you shouldn't sell).

Laziness and not caring is what has kept down and in the prehistoric era brewing for so long (even so in the last year or two a lot has improved, finally).

I mean just because your client in their complete ignorance are ok with that it doesn't mean is ok to brew it this way isn't it?

I'm completely against using Guiacol but what I believe and do is not relevant to the discussion.

So assuming you wanna use a toxic as fuck substance like guiacol what at least one should do is limit at the possible minimum level the exposure to it.

Guiacol is strong as fuck the maximum concentration needed for a reasonable recipe is 10% and most of the time 5% is all you need.

Now if you weren't a lazy fuck you would have tried different ratios with high BB and just a tiny bit of guiacol and raising the latter just enough to make the recipe works.

As I don't work with guiacol I can't tell you the recipe but I bet 45% BB and 5% guiacol is probably enough for a 40mg/ml winstrol, if using a mixture of castor oil and EO you could probably lower the BB another 5% but this is just speculation as I don't use guiacol so I can't say for certainty it will work, sure as hell with 10% guiacol and 40% BB it will work 100% but as I tried to explain you should take your time and find the perfect or close to it ratio of both substances that achieve the result with the least amount of Guiacol in it.

Now you can cry me a river and fuck off I have waste already too much of my time trying to educate you not even on brewing but on ethic, yes because if you had a tiny bit of it you would feel bad in selling a garbage product like that.

Happy christmas :)
 
Brother, I agree with everything you're saying, as far as the melting point is not needed/important when the proper solvents are being used.

However, I would like to get your take or opinion on injectable Winstrol as far as temperature goes, and solvents if you don't mind. That is one compound that I feel like even with the proper solvents, It takes a lot of heat, and time to get it to stay in a solution for long periods of time. Meaning longer than a few days. Lol..

Have you ever dealt with that compound?
Which brings me to the point I was making, that while not needed… Would it not make sense to just bring it to the melting point regardless of solvents? Because better safe than sorry. I don’t see any damage being done by bringing it to melting point.
 
geometric dilution
cushion GIF
 
im saying this test is faked until @AASraw releases it
They told me they will look into it after the weekend when they get back to the office. I would be fine if there was 11g in my bag or if they gave me an extra gift next order. There are no other hormones or anything else, the peaks are at the correct wavelengths, it seems they did a sloppy job in the purification and there are residual solvents, possibly moisture.

Here's ChatGPTs analysis to my raw data:

2. What That 11.9% Can and Cannot Be​

What it CANNOT be (based on the chromatogram)​

Because:
  • Only one peak appears
  • No secondary peaks at 205 nm
  • No shoulders, no baseline noise
That ~12% is very unlikely to be:
  • Other steroids
  • Isomeric trestolone species (they absorb UV)
  • Ester cleavage products
  • Organic synthesis byproducts
  • Aromatase inhibitors
Any of those would show clear PDA signals, especially at 205 nm.

3. What the ~12% Most Likely IS (Ranked)​

A. Residual solvent (TOP contributor)​

This is the most common explanation at this level.
Typical solvents used in Trestolone synthesis/purification:
  • Ethyl acetate
  • Acetone
  • MTBE
  • Hexane traces
These:
  • Add mass
  • Do not absorb strongly in UV
  • Do not appear as peaks
5–15% residual solvent is very common in non-vacuum-dried steroid raws.

B. Bound / adsorbed moisture​

Steroid esters:
  • Are mildly hygroscopic
  • Can hold surface moisture or lattice water
1–5% is typical unless KF-dried.

C. Inorganic residue (minor but possible)​

Examples:
  • Sodium bicarbonate
  • Sodium sulfate
  • Trace salts from aqueous washes
These:
  • Add weight
  • Are UV-invisible
Usually <1–2% if purification was competent.

D. Non-UV-active organic residue (unlikely but possible)​

Examples:
  • Aliphatic oils
  • Grease contamination
  • High-boiling non-chromophoric residues
Given:
  • Clean baseline
  • No detector drift
Likely <1%.

4. Why This Happens in Trestolone More Than Test Cyp​

This is important context.

Trestolone Acetate:​

  • Short ester
  • Crystallizes less “cleanly”
  • More prone to trapping solvent

Testosterone Cypionate:​

  • Long ester
  • Crystallizes very well
  • Naturally excludes solvent
That’s why your Test Cyp showed ~96% active, while Trest shows ~88% active, despite both being chemically clean.
This is normal, not a red flag.

5. What This Means for Quality​

Let’s be very clear:
  • Chemical purity: Very high
  • Non-active mass: Physical contamination (solvent/water), not chemical impurities
  • Safety / activity: Once dissolved/formulated, this fraction largely disappears
If this were vacuum-dried or recrystallized again:
  • Active % would likely jump into the 95–99% range

6. Pharma vs UGL Context (Updated)​

MaterialTypical Active %
Pharma Trest (KF + GC dried)98–99%
High-end UGL Trest90–95%
Average UGL Trest80–88%
Your sample~88.1%
Chemically cleaner than most UGL raws — just not aggressively dried.

7. How You’d Confirm This Definitively​

If you wanted to prove what the 11.9% is:
  • Karl Fischer → moisture %
  • GC-FID → residual solvents
  • Vacuum drying + re-weigh → mass loss
Pharma labs do all three.

Bottom Line (Corrected & Precise)​

The missing ~12% in your Trestolone Acetate is almost certainly residual solvent and moisture, not hidden steroid impurities. The HPLC strongly supports that conclusion.

 
They told me they will look into it after the weekend when they get back to the office. I would be fine if there was 11g in my bag or if they gave me an extra gift next order. There are no other hormones or anything else, the peaks are at the correct wavelengths, it seems they did a sloppy job in the purification and there are residual solvents, possibly moisture.

Here's ChatGPTs analysis to my raw data:

The raw data you paid $5 is not made to test for other substances.
Obviously nothing else turns up.

You want the "other stuff" detected?
You pay for it..
 
The raw data you paid $5 is not made to test for other substances.
Obviously nothing else turns up.

You want the "other stuff" detected?
You pay for it..
Not what I said, and read carefully my post. The assumption you made that I believed the raw data is for extra testing is moronic. Did you not read the next sentence?
 
Not what I said, and read carefully my post. The assumption you made that I believed the raw data is for extra testing is moronic. Did you not read the next sentence?

I did.
You did an AI analysis on a test made to test for the presence of only a single substance. The result was that it was probably moisture and solvents since nothing else turns up in the test.

Since the test does not test for anything else, obviously..nothing else would turn up?

It could be something toxic, but since the test was not designed to test for it, it would not show up on the test.

Relying on AI is a really bad idea.
 
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