Getting leaner ??

[malfeasance]

A minimum of 4iu and preferably more.

Start off with 2 iu and see how it goes.

You may end up going to 4 or more, but there are lots of reports of issues when guys just jump on 4 iu.

Also, by late 40s IGF-1 drops enough for many men so that 2 iu can actually make a significant difference. It is not like you are 19 or 20 years old.

Try 2 iu and work your way up slowly if that is what you want to do.

 

[malfeasance]

Did you already make a thread about this?

Diet​

First things first. Up the protein to 250. If you cannot get it in, stop the fucking trizepatide. Second, tomorrow, increase your carbs to 250. Try to keep those fats where they are or even lower by experimenting with substituting foods.

Cardio​

Third, Bump Up the intensity on the cardio. What is your heart rate? If you do not know your heart rate, figure out how to do some cardio where you can track heart rate and maybe even calories burned.

Bodybuilding with Weights​

You are weight training, so what does leg day look like? Just look at your log and tell us weight, sets, reps.

Also, are you progressing every workout - adding reps, sets, or weight or something every time? At 16% body fat you should not be losing any strength in the gym, especially while also on 600mg of steroids.

Keep it Steady for A Week​

If your weight remains stalled out for the next seven days, then it will be time to make some adjustments, but just try out the above for now.

So we are still working on the first category, diet, which had two steps in it. We are still trying to get you to complete the first step.

There are three other categories posted in the quote above and with which we can make small adjustments in most of them. Have you figured out your heart rate and/or calorie burn for cardio yet (the second category)?

 

[ve79]

Did you get 250 gram of protein on Friday?

What about planning on it today?

Hey brother yea I have been hitting it. Huge improvement in mood also

 

[DugPrime]

Dose anyone have any advice to get leaner? I'm 46 yrs old been dieting for a while training 5 days a week weight training and cardio 40 min on a incline treadmill. My calories are 1800 with carbs at 140g and fats at 50g protein at 180. I'm also taking 200mg test 5mg of trizepatide and 400mg of primo that I just hopped on 3 weeks ago. I feel great but I can't get any lower in weight from 180 I'm 5"5 in good shape about 16 BF. Im having problems loosing my love handles the little I have and no visible abs.??

50g protein???

 

[ve79]

50g protein???

No your.reading it wrong. Fats 50 protein is 180 put now 250 protein

 

[CraneKraken]

Start off with 2 iu and see how it goes.

You may end up going to 4 or more, but there are lots of reports of issues when guys just jump on 4 iu.

Also, by late 40s IGF-1 drops enough for many men so that 2 iu can actually make a significant difference. It is not like you are 19 or 20 years old.

Try 2 iu and work your way up slowly if that is what you want to do.

*Edit note* I'm admittedly long winded at times. I apologize for the long reply.

Once again you make a lot of good points. I didn't take age into consideration and I was mostly going by my own experience and things I've picked up along the way.

I think the only thing I'd disagree with you on is slowly titrating up. The small amount of sides caused by GH compared to anabolics and androgens makes it relatively safe to use even at higher doses. I had also always heard 4iu is basically the starting point for real gains on GH and this aligned with my own experience. Of course we are all different and respond to these hormones in different ways. What's good for this goose may not be good for the gander. I remember @ve79 being in his 40's but he sounds like he's a decent size dude and takes all this stuff serious. He seems committed and determined to get a prime physique.

I think he should absolutely add GH to his protocol and I'd suggest he get an Opti or Lobster GH. I started out at 4iu and got a touch of bloat but that went away once my body adjusted after a couple days. After 2 weeks I bumped up to 6 and added 2iu every 2 weeks until I got to 12iu. Since then I've experimented between 8iu and 12iu. What I found was although 12iu did make me a bit more vascular and recovery was a shade quicker it's not much different than using just the 8iu. Again, this is just my own personal experiences with GH. Once or twice a week I'll also prep a syringe with 4iu to 6iu and leave it in my fridge. I'll set a 4AM alarm, take the injection and when I wake up that bolus is peaking and the remnants of the night time bolus are supposed still be pulsing some -according to Kurt Havens.

So I take a decent amount, but as I've said before, I have been going a little too heavy with my compounds this year and need to tone it down. The thing is I love what I get out of the GH and with it being one of our safest and most studied compounds it's the one that gives me the least concern.

 

[Ateam2023]

*Edit note* I'm admittedly long winded at times. I apologize for the long reply.

Once again you make a lot of good points. I didn't take age into consideration and I was mostly going by my own experience and things I've picked up along the way.

I think the only thing I'd disagree with you on is slowly titrating up. The small amount of sides caused by GH compared to anabolics and androgens makes it relatively safe to use even at higher doses. I had also always heard 4iu is basically the starting point for real gains on GH and this aligned with my own experience. Of course we are all different and respond to these hormones in different ways. What's good for this goose may not be good for the gander. I remember @ve79 being in his 40's but he sounds like he's a decent size dude and takes all this stuff serious. He seems committed and determined to get a prime physique.

I think he should absolutely add GH to his protocol and I'd suggest he get an Opti or Lobster GH. I started out at 4iu and got a touch of bloat but that went away once my body adjusted after a couple days. After 2 weeks I bumped up to 6 and added 2iu every 2 weeks until I got to 12iu. Since then I've experimented between 8iu and 12iu. What I found was although 12iu did make me a bit more vascular and recovery was a shade quicker it's not much different than using just the 8iu. Again, this is just my own personal experiences with GH. Once or twice a week I'll also prep a syringe with 4iu to 6iu and leave it in my fridge. I'll set a 4AM alarm, take the injection and when I wake up that bolus is peaking and the remnants of the night time bolus are supposed still be pulsing some -according to Kurt Havens.

So I take a decent amount, but as I've said before, I have been going a little too heavy with my compounds this year and need to tone it down. The thing is I love what I get out of the GH and with it being one of our safest and most studied compounds it's the one that gives me the least concern.

point taken , but if you review other hgh problems reported with hgh and side effects, a "majority of people" , myself included", who experienced these (water retention, ct, extreme tiredness) side effects, all titrated up to fast resulting in these side effects, hgh is indeed not a one size fits all all when it comes to dosing and end results, and water believe it or not seems to be a determining factor on some of these side effects, when my water intake and titrating up to fast, i experienced these side effects, water retention and cts sides, DEFINITELY something to consider,,

 

[malfeasance]

Plus, age is important.

It is sort of like somebody posting what great results he got on his first cycle using 1.2 grams of test and 600 mg of Deca. Well, did you try 500 mg of test to see whether your results would have been about the same?

Just to put things in perspective, I was around his age when I ran 3 iu (starting at 1, then 2, then 3, and I kept it at 3 for months) and discovered it was the first time in many years that I was able to add weight and get visibly leaner. Just about everybody can do that on their first steroid cycle, but later, it is either bulk or cut once you get to a certain size, but the first time I added 3 iu of hgh (titrated slowly up), I added weight and grew visibly leaner at the same time.

Now, I have not been able to pull that off since, although I got even bigger after (you know how it goes, lol). BUT my point is that 3 iu did something significant for me, and 3 is less than 4 iu.

I have never run 12 iu like you have - who knows, maybe that would work better? I am only posting to comment that when a man's IGF-1 drops with age, even small amounts of hgh can make a surprising difference. I am just one person, so what I wrote is an anecdote and not a carefully controlled study, but, well, there is my experience with a sample size of only one.

My point is only that he may do very well with a lower amount, not necessarily to push him one way or the other. If natty IGF-1 is low (mine is in the 80s) and 2 iu puts him at 180, then his IFG-1 is more than doubled. 3 iu will probably do more, and so on.

Check out the "what is your natty IGF-1" thread for some examples. Some of us have terrible natural IGF-1 levels.

 

[DreDonte]

PSMF and Intermittent Fasting are the major diet changes that I noticed immediate results from

 

[Demondosage]

Go get a tsh test on your thyroid so you know you’re not pissing in the wind