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Now Harvey Two Face note the DUAL CHAMBER cartridge used for the delivery of Genotropin rHGH. Take a close look because one chamber contains the GH powder while the other contains the solvent.

To operate the device a cartridge is inserted into the Combiject holder and the plunger is depressed. That is ALL that is required clown. This self enclosed device also greatly reduces cross contamination which is obviously increased when multidose vials are used. (ANY CONTAMINATION greatly effects the GH half life.

(Understand GH is a very fragile self enveloped, coiled, cross linked, globular protein with 191 amino acids. You Fuck with any of those AA within that chain, especially if said activity uncoils or breaks the cross-linking bonds, in many instances the product is rendered absolutely USELESS!!!)

Consequently, US manufacturers of rHGH no longer use multidose vials. MORE IMPORTANTLY ONLY THE INDO-CHINESE REGION still uses multidose vials.
Now guess where most of the bunk GH comes from?

Not you numb nuts, I'm referring to Meso mates since they have a brain while you operate on a brain stem and a dysfunctional one at that!

Yep that BS "generic" GH has it's origins in "Indochina" probably close to 90% of it while the remainder from comes from Russia and a few of the Balkan regions.

IMPORTANT ------IMPORTANT -------IMPORTANT -------IMPORTANT
As you can imagine developing a fully functional multi-chamber pinning apparatus is no easy chore AND since most legit rHGH companies EMBOSS (or etch) the company logo or name INTO the glass counterfeiting legit GH which is NOT from IC approaches the impossible. Now you know WHY the fellas whom are attempting to sell you bunk GH ALWAYS use VIALS!

SO when they pull out them vials rest assured IT'S GENERIC for sure, and MAY contain some GH IF your VERY LUCKY or if you promised to shill for the company.

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JIM

I may have just learned more in this post than 10+ years on boards.

 

[dealer]

Holy cow! Great thread.

 

[Dr JIM]

Name one GENERIC which consistently "tests high", AND the aren't grossly tainted by those "publishing" the data!

The results are primarily concocted garbage unless performed by INDIVIDUALS with absolutely no connection to the re-seller or the manufacturer.

In other words reliable generic "levels" can only be trusted when those mates "off the street" have the studies performed and published.

No forum should be trusted which is publishing it's sponsors PED results, and it's utter nonsense to believe otherwise.

Finally there is only ONE means of obtaining irrefutable GH results and that is achieved by assaying the vial contents, PERIOD!

Why? Because there are far to many variables which may significantly alter serum "GH levels".

Jim

 

[MR10X]

GENOTROPIN

 

[MR10X]

http://www.genotropin.com/assets/Media/GENOTROPIN_MiniQuickInstruction_Sheet.pdf

http://www.genotropin.com/assets/Media/Genotropin_Pen_12%20Instructions_for_Use.pdf

http://www.genotropin.com/assets/Media/GENOTROPIN_Mixer_Instruction_Sheet.pdf

 

[Mike Oxbig]

Hey Doc,
I have a question for you. In your opinion, do generics that consistantly test high contain any real hgh or is it just a peptide such as GHRP? I am sure that you have answered this question previously so thanks if you can give a quick rehash of your thoughts.

My issue with the theory of generic GH being peptides is that peptides only cause a very short GH spike.

The typical benchmark for GH serum tests is a 10iu shot with labs drawn 3-4 hours post injection. As you can see from the chart, the GH level is back to baseline 3 hours post injection.

Peptides can yield great results but the issue is that they ideally to be injected 4-6x/day around a precise schedule which is a pain in the ass and unrealistic for that doesn't spend the entire day at their house. The draw to GH is that it only needs to be injected once a day to be effective.

If it was possible for a peptide combo to yield a GH serum of 30+ ng/ml 3-4 hours post injection HGH would be obsolete. You could get the results of high dose pharm grade GH for $20/month in peptides.

 

[Dr JIM]

That's probably the reason peptides don't effect IGF levels either. Hot damn we've got some bright, energetic and caring mates on Meso. Nice summation MO.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

My issue with the theory of generic GH being peptides is that peptides only cause a very short GH spike.

The typical benchmark for GH serum tests is a 10iu shot with labs drawn 3-4 hours post injection. As you can see from the chart, the GH level is back to baseline 3 hours post injection.

I don't claim to be well versed in hGH or the technology used in its manufacture but my concerns are the potential safety issues - assuming the generic contains hGH and not just inert powder.


It is possible the Chinese could produce generic hGH - biologically active hGH. It is unlikely that they could purify it enough to ensure it is safe while keeping the price as low as they do. As Dr Jim mentioned earlier, hGH is a highly complex protein made up of 191 amino acids that are arranged into a very precise 3-D configuration. It is produced by living cells, therefore, it's unlikely that every cell will produce a molecule with the identical 3-D configuration, which means there will be impurities.

And the manufacturing process itself can introduce impurities into the product such as waste from the cell culture, damaged or broken 3-D structures, dimers and polymers, etc. All these impurities must be removed and this is where things get tricky. It is not too difficult (relatively speaking) to get biologically active hGH. It is extremely difficult and costly to purify it enough to make it safe. If these impurities aren't removed, the result can be immunogenicity or an autoimmune response to hGH that could lead to allergies, to desensitization to hGH, to who knows what. Since you have no assurance that the necessary purification has been done to assure safety, you're taking a pretty big chance by using it, IMO.

AFAIC, generic Chinese growth hormone isn't worth the risk - even if they give it away.

Regards

CBS

 

[ironwill1951]

serostim comes in vails ,, 126 iu in a kit they are made for aids patients .
they are manufactured by a lab in switzerland for emd serono inc in rockland ma, they come with vails of sterele water for mixing . they are meant to be used all in one shot but if you use bac h20 are they good for multiple use ?
just curious on your opinion jim . thanks

Now Harvey Two Face note the DUAL CHAMBER cartridge used for the delivery of Genotropin rHGH. Take a close look because one chamber contains the GH powder while the other contains the solvent.

To operate the device a cartridge is inserted into the Combiject holder and the plunger is depressed. That is ALL that is required clown. This self enclosed device also greatly reduces cross contamination which is obviously increased when multidose vials are used. (ANY CONTAMINATION greatly effects the GH half life.

(Understand GH is a very fragile self enveloped, coiled, cross linked, globular protein with 191 amino acids. You Fuck with any of those AA within that chain, especially if said activity uncoils or breaks the cross-linking bonds, in many instances the product is rendered absolutely USELESS!!!)

Consequently, US manufacturers of rHGH no longer use multidose vials. MORE IMPORTANTLY ONLY THE INDO-CHINESE REGION still uses multidose vials.
Now guess where most of the bunk GH comes from?

Not you numb nuts, I'm referring to Meso mates since they have a brain while you operate on a brain stem and a dysfunctional one at that!

Yep that BS "generic" GH has it's origins in "Indochina" probably close to 90% of it while the remainder from comes from Russia and a few of the Balkan regions.

IMPORTANT ------IMPORTANT -------IMPORTANT -------IMPORTANT
As you can imagine developing a fully functional multi-chamber pinning apparatus is no easy chore AND since most legit rHGH companies EMBOSS (or etch) the company logo or name INTO the glass counterfeiting legit GH which is NOT from IC approaches the impossible. Now you know WHY the fellas whom are attempting to sell you bunk GH ALWAYS use VIALS!

SO when they pull out them vials rest assured IT'S GENERIC for sure, and MAY contain some GH IF your VERY LUCKY or if you promised to shill for the company.

PICS






JIM

 

[mands]

serostim comes in vails ,, 126 iu in a kit they are made for aids patients .
they are manufactured by a lab in switzerland for emd serono inc in rockland ma, they come with vails of sterele water for mixing . they are meant to be used all in one shot but if you use bac h20 are they good for multiple use ?
just curious on your opinion jim . thanks

You answered your own question big guy! They are based in Switzerland and are made for AIDS and burn victims with intention of being single dosed not in the US.

I do believe you can use the sterile water and it has a shelf life of a couple weeks. I will have to look on their site.

I have two 126 iu kits in my fridge.

mands

 

[DieYoungStrong]

You answered your own question big guy! They are based in Switzerland and are made for AIDS and burn victims with intention of being single dosed not in the US.

I do believe you can use the sterile water and it has a shelf life of a couple weeks. I will have to look on their site.

I have two 126 iu kits in my fridge.

mands

I've looked on the site. All I could find are single dose instructions.

 

[mands]

I've looked on the site. All I could find are single dose instructions.

I know I read it somewhere DYS! In literature or something else. I can't for the life of me remember.

I know I am running 1 vial about every 12 days. So around 1.5 iu a day right now. So if the sterile water doesn't keep for that long I've been waisting it for a few weeks now. lol

mands

 

[mands]

Here is the PDF. Page 16 for storage.

mands

 

[MR10X]

There is storage instructions on the 3 links i posted for the genotropin,there are 3 different ways to get it.One is a one use syringe that you have to mix the powder and liquid by screwing in the plunger,You dont have to store it in the fridge before use.The other 2 you have to store in the fridge after its reconstituded.Evidently you dont have to store the unmixed HGH in the fridge and it will last 3 months that way...
http://www.genotropin.com/assets/Media/GENOTROPIN_MiniQuickInstruction_Sheet.pdf
http://www.genotropin.com/assets/Media/Genotropin_Pen_12%20Instructions_for_Use.pdf
http://www.genotropin.com/assets/Media/GENOTROPIN_Mixer_Instruction_Sheet.pdf

 

[Undertow333]

Name one GENERIC which consistently "tests high", AND the aren't grossly tainted by those "publishing" the data!

The results are primarily concocted garbage unless performed by INDIVIDUALS with absolutely no connection to the re-seller or the manufacturer.

In other words reliable generic "levels" can only be trusted when those mates "off the street" have the studies performed and published.

No forum should be trusted which is publishing it's sponsors PED results, and it's utter nonsense to believe otherwise.

Finally there is only ONE means of obtaining irrefutable GH results and that is achieved by assaying the vial contents, PERIOD!

Why? Because there are far to many variables which may significantly alter serum "GH levels".

Jim

My good friend has had serum test on Rips and Hyges that were all consistantly high. I don't doubt what you are saying one bit Doc, I was just curious what variables you are speaking of.

 

[Dr JIM]

No disrespect but?

Your friend?

Did he show you the lab results?

Did he try to sell you some of that CRAP?

I ask because I can't tell you how many times Iv'e heard that song and dance!

Jim

 

[Undertow333]

No disrespect but?

Your friend?

Did he show you the lab results?

Did he try to sell you some of that CRAP?

I ask because I can't tell you how many times Iv'e heard that song and dance!

Jim

Yes, I have seen three lab results over the past couple of years. While he used to own a major UGL back in the early to mid 2000's that many vets here probably used, he is no longer affiliated with any lab or otherwise. We were roomates for quite a while and I would take his word for it even if I hadn't seen the actual lab reports. I don't dispute anything that I have read of yours regarding gh. I was just curious as to what, in your opinion, causes these positives. There are numerous vets on this board and others that have had good results with generics like Rips and Hyges so I was wondering why. My first thought was peptides though some claim they would not yeild such high test results after the waiting period. Is there something that these labs are mixing in to delay or prolong the gh or igf-1 response?

 

[Dr JIM]

Three test results in 14 years isn't to "consistent" IMO.
The answers to the rest of your questions will come in due course.

PS
I want you and everyone to challenge what I say, but do so with evidence based data rather than broism.

Do that and you'll be much wiser and knowledgeable because of it

 

[Undertow333]

I have seen his lab reports over the last two years. "In due time"? Could ya be a little more cryptic next time Doc.[)] Just kidding and thanks for your time.

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey would he be willing to provide a sample for analysis!

Now that's how you begin to understand what I'm referring to.