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Mrhat39 said:
So I guess this is to big of a fish to fry. Your not even going to request the names of the wicker accounts that are part of the reverse scam. I understand that if nobody cares that the sources are being shook down, that's up to the members.
But the fact that the PM was stating, that sources are treated roughly, just to bring them under pressure, so they will start giving out free gear.
It's totally throwing off everything meso is about. It's supposed to be the ultimate truth, but if this is let go, it's the ultimate scam.
Put on by senior members, and using newbies for leverage, knowing their influences drives sources sales, up or down.
Just the fact that there's normally about six or seven guys, back to back hammering someone just accused of taking free gear( let alone reverse scamming a source for it, with blackmail), and but they are nowhere to be found, is troubling.
There's another thread that's been very active lately, Where a member was offered a free AI, by the source( the member did not ask for it) and by excepting, that member has been put on blast. Most of the guys in that thread, hasn't seemed to care about this one.
I know they're busy, but most of them have time to troll other members, seven days a week.
Just would like to hear your @mands thoughts on the way this seems to be a non-issue? I respect your opinions and know that you know as much as anyone, that this is not the norm for meso.
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What would you like me to do? I'm working on some things now via PM with some folks. I will contact @Millard Baker my thoughts and he will most likely return his.

I have called out @Flounder now twice! Are you wanting me to contact the source? He laid out the PM plain as day on what Flounder wrote. Not much more he can add:

I've spent the majority of the day looking at old threads and members who seem to tag along with @Flounder.

Let me know your thoughts on how else this should be handled?

As far as @MindlessWork getting his balls busted it's mostly those that dislike him for other personal reasons, not taking an AI I'm guessing. I don't have a problem with him.

I do have a problem with punk members exploiting sources for free gear and using their tenure as some sort of currency.

It actually sickens me that some are screaming one thing and doing another behind closed doors.

mands
 
Mrhat39 said:
So I guess this is to big of a fish to fry. Your not even going to request the names of the wicker accounts that are part of the reverse scam. I understand that if nobody cares that the sources are being shook down, that's up to the members.
But the fact that the PM was stating, that sources are treated roughly, just to bring them under pressure, so they will start giving out free gear.
It's totally throwing off everything meso is about. It's supposed to be the ultimate truth, but if this is let go, it's the ultimate scam.
Put on by senior members, and using newbies for leverage, knowing their influences drives sources sales, up or down.
Just the fact that there's normally about six or seven guys, back to back hammering someone just accused of taking free gear( let alone reverse scamming a source for it, with blackmail), and but they are nowhere to be found, is troubling.
There's another thread that's been very active lately, Where a member was offered a free AI, by the source( the member did not ask for it) and by excepting, that member has been put on blast. Most of the guys in that thread, hasn't seemed to care about this one.
I know they're busy, but most of them have time to troll other members, seven days a week.
Just would like to hear your @mands thoughts on the way this seems to be a non-issue? I respect your opinions and know that you know as much as anyone, that this is not the norm for meso.
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I'm not sure what you want to have happen here?

@Flounder has been exposed (again) and based on the PM, his "friends" are involved too. If flounder comes here to defend himself, he'll get grilled to the nth degree. If the names of his "friends" are revealed, they'll get called out too. Until those things happen, there's not much that can be said.
 
GiantZeus.com said:
After much annoyance of several members we decided to expose as many members do that! Sorry to this member but we had to start from someone!

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Well I guess this explains it pretty clearly... good on you source for coming forward with this....as for @Flounder, I'm not gonna jump on the bashing train that you are about to receive but you and your "friends" should go ahead and pack it up because you'll never have anything of value to input here at meso from this point forward.
 
DrinkFlintWater said:
I think it isnt the act of what occured here so much as the actual thread were in itself....Im sure a good majority have clicked in the Mindless log you reference because its a. BS gossip log....in other words, this act would need its own thread in order to be noriced by the vast majority
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Cndguy has been here, he said kick rocks, and I don't think he's been back since.
I would have expected him to have been all over this, he is quick to jump on anybody even expected of getting free gear from a source. And rightly so. I just would have thought he would have brought his crew and clean the clock on this one.
 
Mrhat39 said:
Cndguy has been here, he said kick rocks, and I don't think he's been back since.
I would have expected him to have been all over this, he is quick to jump on anybody even expected of getting free gear from a source. And rightly so. I just would have thought he would have brought his crew and clean the clock on this one.
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Lol Back to life Mrhat so won't be around much now. But there's nothing to say cuz the evidence is right there. Plus the shits seems to be pointless now. Everything is a "witch hunt" but even when the fakes are exposed /proven it doesn't seem to matter these days. Smh
 
mands said:
What would you like me to do? I'm working on some things now via PM with some folks. I will contact @Millard Baker my thoughts and he will most likely return his.

I have called out @Flounder now twice! Are you wanting me to contact the source? He laid out the PM plain as day on what Flounder wrote. Not much more he can add:

I've spent the majority of the day looking at old threads and members who seem to tag along with @Flounder.

Let me know your thoughts on how else this should be handled?

As far as @MindlessWork getting his balls busted it's mostly those that dislike him for other personal reasons, not taking an AI I'm guessing. I don't have a problem with him.

I do have a problem with punk members exploiting sources for free gear and using their tenure as some sort of currency.

It actually sickens me that some are screaming one thing and doing another behind closed doors.

mands
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It's just what I would expect anyone that values the Integrity of meso, would think. And I do value the Integrity of meso. It's the reason why I'm here. There's some things about meso that is unique to it alone. It's the fact that ,people can speak out without fear. And because the fact that people can speak out without fear, you're expecting and believing, you are hearing an unbiased review. When in fact your hearing a payback for extortion. That's not only reverse scamming, that's scamming the members. Not only that, it was also revealed that sources are being given, a fake run down, just to soften them up, before they are propositioned. With the promise if they don't payout, they will be blackballed on meso. With just leaving that hanging, it gives off the look, that those that could be asking for the names, are not, for reason. Why? Who knows.
 
Mrhat39 said:
It's just what I would expect anyone that values the Integrity of meso, would think. And I do value the Integrity of meso. It's the reason why I'm here. There's some things about meso that is unique to it alone. It's the fact that ,people can speak out without fear. And because the fact that people can speak out without fear, you're expecting and believing, you are hearing an unbiased review. When in fact your hearing a payback for extortion. That's not only reverse scamming, that's scamming the members. Not only that, it was also revealed that sources are being given, a fake run down, just to soften them up, before they are propositioned. With the promise if they don't payout, they will be blackballed on meso. With just leaving that hanging, it gives off the look, that those that could be asking for the names, are not, for reason. Why? Who knows.
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We could ask for the names but I don't feel they would be revealed publicly... in private by the right people then that might be a different story
 
Mands, you know this is not the way meso usually operates.
It was not that long ago, you yourself was Under Fire, just for simply mentioning, seeing if TP would come to meso.
You were doing it for all the right reasons, and it was like you had backstabbed half the members. This this is blatant reverse scamming, at its best. Can't really understand the sudden double standard.
I don't know Flounder, but he and his friends must be very influential members.
 
Shame about Flounder... Never heard of this before now. From what I remember, he's always been one to hop on the bandwagon when someone else pulls this kind of scam or to come down on a source.

It's takes a while to gain any kind of respect on Meso... And on the forums in general. It only takes a second and some bad decisions to lose it and never get it back.

Whether Flounder gets banned or not doesn't really matter. He has no respect here any longer and will bear the title of scammer now... He might as well ban himself. The most fitting thing would be to remove his title and insert scammer in its place so he has no ability to try it again... But I don't think members will forget too soon.

If there are any other members that he really was playing this game with, might as well admit it now and try salvaging any respect you might have left... Good luck with that.
 
@mands I do have a lot of respect for you and in tagging me I feel rather humbled. I have no dog in this fight, but when something pisses you off Mands it sure ain't good.
 
Tj72 said:
We could ask for the names but I don't feel they would be revealed publicly... in private by the right people then that might be a different story
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That's just a really strange way to look at it.
By not posting the members publicly, that are shaking down sources, you are tainting every review from here on out. Everybody can see that.
Besides why should flounder be ousted as the scammer, when he and GiantZeus said there's multiple people involved.
It changes everything as a member, when you see other members going after a source. Then you're thinking, just another shake down. But maybe I don't think the same with everybody else. Actually, I'm pretty sure I don't, most of the time.
 
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