Weatherlite
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Finally someone speaking it right. You may not like his personal views etc but give it a listen to the end. He has some VERY good things to say.
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ForemanRules
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Wow that guy is an idiot.
oldtimer
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He speaks of victory in body count. Then after that, he speaks of liberating Iraqi's. Contradiction.
I do agree with him on some points though (esp. the hypocracy of politicians).
I do agree with him on some points though (esp. the hypocracy of politicians).
Weatherlite
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Ya know something I've noticed? Foreman just seems to be an ostrich...or perhaps a horse with blinders on? Sees only what he wants to see and says everything else is bullshit.
ForemanRules
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I try to see what is real, I try to read from many sources before I form an opinion. I do not rely on TV or movies for my information ever. I am not a Republican or a Democrat. I was broughtt up to believe in the Christian God....I do not believe in any God. I was taught by society to be sexist and racist.....I am not either of these two things. My Parents hate homosexuals and thinks they will burn in hell and are evil....I have gay friends and think there sexual actions are nobadys business and have nothing to do with what is good or bad. My country values money above everything else, I do not.Weatherlite said:
I am not perfect and I do not have all the answers. AS for what I think of you.....I have no idea, I do not know you and I have no recollection of what you post here beyond this thread.
ForemanRules
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Ok I just watched that again and I have to say, Wow that guy is an idiot.
Weatherlite
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ForemanRules said:
LMAO!!! Just found that funny. I respect your opinion bro. Just seems like when yer mind is made up it's made up, right, wrong or indifferent. That's the way it seems.
Weatherlite
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Just wondering if anyone caught Foreman's post in the General Discussion forum where he asks about breaking the 10 commandments...where he says he feels guilty and asks if others are ALSO religious. If ye haven't ye might wanna go read his initial post for a second and then go check out his post in THIS thread three posts up. You'll see how he changes his mind when it's convenient for his argument. [
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bigcountry76
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ForemanRules said:
Ok i couldn't watch the whole video because that guy is an idiot. I am so sick and tired of these people sayiing that isn't right for solider or troops. Well look here dumbass. People join the military during wartime. what do you think is going to happen to them. If they don't know they will be sent to Iraq to fight a war for whatever reason then don't join up. I like country music but I am sick of all these country music singers saying "how hard it is over" yes it is hard and sucks. but you really don't know that. so what gives them the right to say that. oh yeah they stay over few days and then go home. They don't know shit. you don't know what is like until you are in the trenches. If you want to support the troops then support them don't tell them how hard it is .. they already know that.
I just hate it when people say things that they really don't know anything about. espically when they stand behind a camera and talk it about.
gixxerboy
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He had 1 or 2 good points. But he is an idiot. The truth is some where in the middle. The liberals and conservative both usually sound like morons when they keep trying to defend their side.
prodigy06
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Yep... when are people gonna get Iraq had NOTHING to do with sept. 11th. Noticed how he mentons NOTHING of osama bin laden. Iraq doesn't and will never fit into the puzzle of sept. 11th and the "war on terror".... fucking yellow shirt moron.ForemanRules said:
prodigy06 said:
Damn right Prodigy, but there are some bone heads that just can't get that point and never will.
By the way, what does not supporting a war for Israel have to do with not supporting our troops?
I support every American soldier period. I just don't support this stupid war.
LISTEN TO OLDTIMER PEOPLE! There are hundreds of thousands of normal and rational people just like him that stand to be slaughtered. Don't believe all the media lies and propaganda.
Weatherlite
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Dionysus said:
I have to laugh at this for a moment. The VAST majority of the media is against the war and tells lies about it every day. There is so little truth about the war coming out of the media that really we are in an age of yellow journalism all over again. So, you saying to NOT believe the media means you are saying we SHOULD be in Iraq and SHOULD be doing what we are doing....and yet you say we shouldn't.
That's what I dislike about this society. People want to hear only the part of the story which fits their veiws and nothing else....ie watching only part of the video....and then make their decisions off of that. That's just not how it should work but unfortunately it does. I can't tell you how many people I have met who feel one way and talk like they know what's going on. (similar to what Bigcountry said about people on TV saying they know what it's like over there when they've only been there for 2 days or some shit) And when these same people actually suck up their pride and sit down to talk to someone who really DOSE know what's going on and can give them the REAL story they tend to change their tune a bit....not always a reversal of opinion but a refinement for sure.
Yes, it's easy to be an armchair quarterback in a football game and it's just as easy to be a couch General and sit on our asses and criticize the war from our living rooms. But what does everyone base their opinions on? Information received from the media....a BIASED media. A media with their own agenda. Quite honestly in some cases a TREASONOUS media when they intentionally print lies against our country or print the names of covert agents. All this has happened. There's a song out recently called "Waiting on the world to change" by John Mayer. I finally listened to the actual words one day and a part of them I didn't like...a part I hated but only because it is a harsh reality. They are:
it's hard to beat the system
when we're standing at a distance
so we keep waiting
waiting on the world to change
That part basically means people need to get involved in government if they want to see a change instead of just bitching to their buddies and on forums like this. BTW, Yes I DO get involved.
now if we had the power
to bring our neighbors home from war
they would have never missed a Christmas
no more ribbons on their door
I don't like that part simply because it's saying the people are powerless. Not true. People are LAZY. That's why we have so many problems in this country....but that's another thread.
The lines I really hate are:
and when you trust your television
what you get is what you got
cause when they own the information, oh
they can bend it all they want
I hate it simply because it's true. There have been so many made up stories, doctored photographs, staged videos etc etc that it is ludicrous! It should be criminal!! And people are believing this crap simply because it's all they get because they are too lazy to do their own searches on the internet.
Now, is my point of view 100% accurate? Nope. mine will of course be skewed a bit by my personal beliefs and experiences. So will everyone elses. I just tire of hearing the bullshit and am exercising my right to bitch about it.
IMO, that's impossible. You can't despise what the soldiers are doing (or being asked to do if you want to be politically correct), but support them at the same time. You can't be against the mission, yet support the ones conducting it.
Saying "I support the war" is democrats way of making them fell all warm and fuzzy, when in reality war isn't warm and fuzzy.
I live in the heart of labor union country and there is a fucking strike every other day. I hate unions, I hate union workers who feel entitled to make $36/hour with a GED, and I hate labor strikes. It would be wrong of me to say "I support the workers, but I don't support their strike".....because they are the fucking ones doing it.
Kayz said:
Weatherlite, you are right, I'm not there so I don't know what it's like to be there personally. I do know people that are there, and they tell me what its like.
I try to get involved, but with two kids and a stay at home wife, its hard to find the time.
Kayz, If you can't see the difference between supporting our troops and not supporting fucking politicians and their BS war then you should be making less than your evil "union workers" .
I don't despise what the soldiers are doing, I just despise the people that are forcing them to do it for all the wrong reasons.
oldtimer
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Weatherlite said:I have to laugh at this for a moment. The VAST majority of the media is against the war and tells lies about it every day. There is so little truth about the war coming out of the media that really we are in an age of yellow journalism all over again. So, you saying to NOT believe the media means you are saying we SHOULD be in Iraq and SHOULD be doing what we are doing....and yet you say we shouldn't.
That's what I dislike about this society. People want to hear only the part of the story which fits their veiws and nothing else....ie watching only part of the video....and then make their decisions off of that. That's just not how it should work but unfortunately it does. I can't tell you how many people I have met who feel one way and talk like they know what's going on. (similar to what Bigcountry said about people on TV saying they know what it's like over there when they've only been there for 2 days or some shit) And when these same people actually suck up their pride and sit down to talk to someone who really DOSE know what's going on and can give them the REAL story they tend to change their tune a bit....not always a reversal of opinion but a refinement for sure.
Yes, it's easy to be an armchair quarterback in a football game and it's just as easy to be a couch General and sit on our asses and criticize the war from our living rooms. But what does everyone base their opinions on? Information received from the media....a BIASED media. A media with their own agenda. Quite honestly in some cases a TREASONOUS media when they intentionally print lies against our country or print the names of covert agents. All this has happened. There's a song out recently called "Waiting on the world to change" by John Mayer. I finally listened to the actual words one day and a part of them I didn't like...a part I hated but only because it is a harsh reality. They are:
it's hard to beat the system
when we're standing at a distance
so we keep waiting
waiting on the world to change
That part basically means people need to get involved in government if they want to see a change instead of just bitching to their buddies and on forums like this. BTW, Yes I DO get involved.
now if we had the power
to bring our neighbors home from war
they would have never missed a Christmas
no more ribbons on their door
I don't like that part simply because it's saying the people are powerless. Not true. People are LAZY. That's why we have so many problems in this country....but that's another thread.
The lines I really hate are:
and when you trust your television
what you get is what you got
cause when they own the information, oh
they can bend it all they want
I hate it simply because it's true. There have been so many made up stories, doctored photographs, staged videos etc etc that it is ludicrous! It should be criminal!! And people are believing this crap simply because it's all they get because they are too lazy to do their own searches on the internet.
Now, is my point of view 100% accurate? Nope. mine will of course be skewed a bit by my personal beliefs and experiences. So will everyone elses. I just tire of hearing the bullshit and am exercising my right to bitch about it.
That is very true Wetherlite, I posted about this exact same subject (truth-capturing by media as opposed to truth-capturing by one's own experience) a couple of years ago or so on meso.
People forget that journalists, media channel owners, reporters etc, they are all humans just like us, and their reporting is heavily influenced by their own emotions and beliefs, it's impossible to perceive a certain event 100% in exactly the same way by two different people that don't share the same beliefs, this is very evident by history, where a certain historical era/event sounds very different based on the historian documenting the event, even for events that made a huge impact on the world (for example, Jesus, different religions document his era and his life in different ways), so twisting truth for less obvious events will be much easier.
prodigy06
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The American soilders could just refuse top fight, but they don't. This isn't Russia were you get shot if you refuse to fight.. in fact Russian soilders have had enough balls to say "no, I'm not doing this stupid shit" and the government lost all it's power over them. So, why can't Americans? Even my friends who are in the Army I tell them, "what you're doing is wrong" and they agree, somewhat, but just go along with it anyway. stoooopid. Even Osama Bin Landen agrees that the only real problem with Americans is that they choose to have a government who misrepresents them. That's so true.Kayz said:
Preacher
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prodigy06 said:
hey Prodigy, its not that easy, in the army we are basically taught to go along with it. We are there to be paid from the neck down. We are trained to basically do what we are told. The second we step up and say wait I don't think this is right, We lose the job we love. In your Job Prodigy, are you allowed to tell your boss that he's doing it wrong, with out reprocautions? Alot of us do it because we love the job.
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