Greens TRT blood thread

[green121]

Hey everyone, pretty new here started TRT in March. I'll post all my bloods past, present, and future here till everything gets in line s a bit of background I'm a 35 yo, I used to lift and be relatively active, I got a bit out of shape during COVID as did a lot of people. However, I noticed other things accelerating.

I started to get dry skin, particularly around the eyes. Anxiety started and got BAD so I went on meds. I got incredibly fatigued/lethargic, like napping 4-5 hours a day. One day it clicked and I decided to get a test via a clinic 217 test. Everything else was in range.

As a caveat because it will be relevant, I was and am fat, I topped at 308 in March and I'm currently coming in at 270ish depending on the day. You can tell there's some muscle if needed I can post pics.

As for protocol I was put on 160 mg a week, injecting twice weekly. Second blood was trough, as you can see everything improved, but my e2 skyrocketed (probably due to fat). My hematocrit increased, to 50, which is fine.

I changed my pinning schedule to everyday in an effort to possibly alleviate e2 issues. I just had blood drawn and I'm waiting on my test/e2 still which I'll post, but a new worry is my hemoglobin and hematocrit spiked. Admittedly I only had about 48 oz water prior to the blood draw. My actions in taking going forward are:

1. Minimum gallon of water a day.
2. Minimum 30-45 min steady state cardio a day.

I'm not really sure how to fix hematocrit outside of that. Admittedly I'm a bit concerned I thought that hematocrit would improve with weight loss.

Any advice or insight is appreciated.

 

[buck]

I am old school. when Hemo, RBC etc are high i donate blood. Never had any issues from it.

 

[green121]

Bloods finally came back, quest took forever. As some background on 150 mg week pinning everyday (was hoping that would drop my estradiol, no such luck.


Based on these bloods I'll go back to pinning EOD, but I definitely need to get the estradiol down, I have aromasin on hands, but was curious as to a dosing protocol. Is 6.25 started EOD offset from pins acceptable, or since it's so high should I run 12.5?

 

[Eddie.]

You could use a higher aromasin dose for 1 to 2 weeks to get estradiol inside the ref range and then continue with 6,25 EOD with your pins. I think a week of 12,5mg EOD and then proceed with 6,25 EOD would be ok. Perhaps it will stay a little higher of the ref range but you will still be good. You can retest estradiol after 4-5 weeks and take it from there.

 

[RekTest]

My endo is a TRT specialist and when my crit was in the 50s he never had a worry. I wouldnt worry about a 51.

I can tell you I got it down to 46 ish by MASSIVELY changing my water intake. I also take 2 scoops of a hydration powder daily.
My TRT is 200mg/wk.

I never donated blood, as from my research its just a “temp” fix, youll pretty much instantly go back to your crit level, it does nothing.

I only know adex dosing,
When I was fat, just recently at 260 pounds and still on the 200mg/wk trt, half a pil twice a week (on pin days, Monday and Thursday) would keep my e2 in check.


Actually, here are my most recent, fat boy bloods back from 6/24 if you wanna compare.
My test is only in the 500s because I do a long trough to get it down, I am only suppose to be on 140mg a week.

 

[RekTest]

I forgot to add, that was blood work right after coming off a 200mg/wk test and 700mg/wk npp blast.
I dropped down one month before bloods, to just my trt.

 

[roofer22]

I drink the same amount, 2 liters before every blood test and I've never even got to 50. Try to go in hydrated next time and measure your water so you can be consistent
And from a former fatty really focus on dropping that extra weight. So many things will improve with your health..

 

[RekTest]

And from a former fatty really focus on dropping that extra weight. So many things will improve with your health..

This

My e2 control on 1G test is the same as my old protocol on 200mg test so I assume once I drop back down to TRT after losing all my weight I wont even need adex at that dose.

Life changes without the weight.
You stop looking down on yourself and stuff gets thrown at you, miracles, tiny miracles.
Stuff youd overlook

Not saying the above is you, was me.
I am rooting for you bud, @green121
If you ever need any help, I am always available and even if I dont know the answer Im sure I know someone that does.

 

[BamaCrazy]

I drink the same amount, 2 liters before every blood test and I've never even got to 50. Try to go in hydrated next time and measure your water so you can be consistent
And from a former fatty really focus on dropping that extra weight. So many things will improve with your health..

This right here. My last 3 attempts on TRT my E2 and hematocrit/RBC were always out of control. But I was fat, especially around the abdomen. This time I dropped 45 pounds and got my BF around 15%. This time my E2 went from 16.5 pre-TRT to 12.3 8 weeks after starting back. Now low E2 is a concern but I can deal with that.

And staying very hydrated daily has kept my hematocrit/RBC unchanged from pre-TRT levels.

 

[green121]

For sure thanks for all the info guys, I started at 308 and down to that 268-270 zone. Just need to keep trucking along, might add in some glp here and there for a couple months to help. I was hoping that the weight loss I did have would impact it more, but no luck so far. I know I can't keep running 80-90 like that though.

What hydration powder are you utilizing rekt, I was considering a liquid IV or 2 throughout the day on top of a gallon

 

[RekTest]

For sure thanks for all the info guys, I started at 308 and down to that 268-270 zone. Just need to keep trucking along, might add in some glp here and there for a couple months to help. I was hoping that the weight loss I did have would impact it more, but no luck so far. I know I can't keep running 80-90 like that though.

What hydration powder are you utilizing rekt, I was considering a liquid IV or 2 throughout the day on top of a gallon

I ran Tirz in my stack, 260 down to 199 current. Still on 20mg.

I run Transparent labs products.
I have a BIG metal can I put one big packet of crystal light pink Lemonade with 2 scoops of raspberry lemonade from transparent labs

Its like crack.

 

[RekTest]

I dont know how big this is, its the big can from walmart in the camping section.
I fill 60% with ice then rest water.

Anyone working outside, this will hold ice couple days getting beat straight in the sun.


Btw, during my weight loss I haven’t utilized any cardio
All diet.

 

[sinistral]

Sleep apnea can increase hematocrit. At your weight this might be a concern. There are O2 monitors you wear on your finger and they will record your oxygen level throughout the night.

EDIT: this might also be contributing to the lethargy

 

[green121]

Looks like a 64 oz can there. I got screened for sleep apnea at a higher weight before I lost some and it wasn't a concern. If it continues even after more weight loss I'll probably do it again just to be safe.

Edit: I feel like the lethargy was legitimately low t, I got on trt and that shit stopped quickly

 

[sinistral]

Looks like a 64 oz can there. I got screened for sleep apnea at a higher weight before I lost some and it wasn't a concern. If it continues even after more weight loss I'll probably do it again just to be safe.

Edit: I feel like the lethargy was legitimately low t, I got on trt and that shit stopped quickly

I'm just curious. What do they do for a sleep apnea screening? (legit question, no shade)

 

[UncleBuns]

Take an AI. I would try 6.25mg Exemastane E3.5D. After 2 weeks pull an E2. If E2 is still high bump up the dose or frequency of dose. The real solution is getting body fat to healthy range, but for now you need an AI.

Are you doing resistance training or only cardio? The combination of both will help you lose more fat and in the long run keep the fat off, be fit+strong, look good, and overall be much healthier. If you're only doing cardio then eventually you'll just be skinny and have little muscle to fill out the skin where fat used to be.

 

[BamaCrazy]

I'm just curious. What do they do for a sleep apnea screening? (legit question, no shade)

My screening was initially body comp measurements and questionnaire. Things like do you snore? Do you sleep all night but wake up exhausted? Has anyone observed you stopping breathing during sleep? Are you being treated for high BP?

Then that was followed up with sleep study.

 

[green121]

I'm just curious. What do they do for a sleep apnea screening? (legit question, no shade)

I did a whole sleep study at a hospital, hooked up a bunch of wires and shit to measure o2 and rem cycles. I'm not smart enough to really explain it

 

[green121]

Take an AI. I would try 6.25mg Exemastane E3.5D. After 2 weeks pull an E2. If E2 is still high bump up the dose or frequency of dose. The real solution is getting body fat to healthy range, but for now you need an AI.

Are you doing resistance training or only cardio? The combination of both will help you lose more fat and in the long run keep the fat off, be fit+strong, look good, and overall be much healthier. If you're only doing cardio then eventually you'll just be skinny and have little muscle to fill out the skin where fat used to be.

I was doing mostly resistance. I've started to incorporate cardio trying to do half hour after workouts, I should just increase to everyday. That would potentially help hematocrit too.

Lifting wise I've just been running 5/3/1 BBB seeing consistent increases.

Current 1 rm maxes

450 deadlift
221 OHP
387 squat
313 bp

 

[UncleBuns]

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I was doing mostly resistance. I've started to incorporate cardio trying to do half hour after workouts, I should just increase to everyday. That would potentially help hematocrit too.

Lifting wise I've just been running 5/3/1 BBB seeing consistent increases.

Current 1 rm maxes

450 deadlift
221 OHP
387 squat
313 bp

My mistake. I thought I read you were only doing cardio. Nice! Congrats on the loss and good luck on the journey. You'll get there. No doubt.

What is your plan for the E2?