Gun control nfw

[Big_paul]

So are you saying the democrats that have been in power since Reagan, "including the current POS in office" have been powerless to change this?
I think that is a big stretch to blame Reagan for this. And kinda funny !!!!!

Considering the above post, which party guts spending on social issues like mental illness?

 

[Big_paul]

So are you saying the democrats that have been in power since Reagan, "including the current POS in office" have been powerless to change this?
I think that is a big stretch to blame Reagan for this. And kinda funny !!!!!

Don't forget Bush 1 and Bush 2. That was 12 years.

 

[Mr.B66]

Considering the above post, which party guts spending on social issues like mental illness?

Honestly i cant give you an informed answer on this, as i dont follow politics anymore because i believe that all of them are criminals and liars.
But i will ask !! Do you have an inside view of the politics and goings on behind the scenes? If not then i suspect you are as informed as me on the subject. I believe it all to be a dog and pony show.

 

[Big_paul]

Those "left wing talking monkeys" are Democrats like you, Paul. IOW, those are your people; you gave them power. If you don't like their positions on gun control, maybe you should consider changing the way you vote.



Reagan? Reagan's been out of office for 26 years, and there's been a Democrat in the White House for almost 15 of those years. One would think they've had ample time to do something about the mentally ill, no?

Regardless, since you're so interested in going back in time, you might like to hear some facts rather than liberal talking points: In 1967, then California Gov. Ronald Reagan signed the http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=wic, which prohibited forced medication or extended involuntary hospital committals without a judicial hearing - a position I happen to agree with and I suspect most others do as well. This bill, which quickly became a national model, was pushed primarily by a group of young, liberal activists on the Assembly Office of Research staff and was inspired by those fighting for the civil rights of the mentally ill who envisioned taking the mentally ill out of the large institutions and housing them in smaller, community-based residences. Unfortunately, legislatures controlled by both parties since the legislation was enacted have failed to adequately fund these residences.

The Lanterman-Petris-Short Act and other commitment laws provide that if a person engages in an act of serious violence against someone else, or demonstrates a likelihood of suicide, commitment for involuntary long-term treatment is supposed to be pretty easy. But it isn't easy because progressive views (Democrats) on mental health, a misguided ACLU, courts reluctant to act, and a SCOTUS ruling in 1975 (O’Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563) that found there is "no constitutional basis for confining such persons involuntarily if they are dangerous to no one", have made it damned near impossible to involuntarily commit anyone. That's what led to the utter neglect of the mentally ill and homeless that you see today. So the chickens coming home to roost has a lot more to do with the people you voted for than Ronald Reagan and the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act. Lanterman-Petris-Short was a noble goal. Reagan's a convenient scapegoat, though. Big fucking surprise.

One thing that can't be denied is that government as a whole has failed.

 

[Mr.B66]

I believe divide and conquer is what the left and right are doing and have always done, and it works like a charm.

 

[Big_paul]

Honestly i cant give you an informed answer on this, as i dont follow politics anymore because i believe that all of them are criminals and liars.
But i will ask !! Do you have an inside view of the politics and goings on behind the scenes? If not then i suspect you are as informed as me on the subject. I believe it all to be a dog and pony show.

It is corrupt as hell. Both parties have an agenda that is not in the publics best interest.

 

[Big_paul]

Those "left wing talking monkeys" are Democrats like you, Paul. IOW, those are your people; you gave them power. If you don't like their positions on gun control, maybe you should consider changing the way you vote.



Reagan? Reagan's been out of office for 26 years, and there's been a Democrat in the White House for almost 15 of those years. One would think they've had ample time to do something about the mentally ill, no?

Regardless, since you're so interested in going back in time, you might like to hear some facts rather than liberal talking points: In 1967, then California Gov. Ronald Reagan signed the http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/calawquery?codesection=wic, which prohibited forced medication or extended involuntary hospital committals without a judicial hearing - a position I happen to agree with and I suspect most others do as well. This bill, which quickly became a national model, was pushed primarily by a group of young, liberal activists on the Assembly Office of Research staff and was inspired by those fighting for the civil rights of the mentally ill who envisioned taking the mentally ill out of the large institutions and housing them in smaller, community-based residences. Unfortunately, legislatures controlled by both parties since the legislation was enacted have failed to adequately fund these residences.

The Lanterman-Petris-Short Act and other commitment laws provide that if a person engages in an act of serious violence against someone else, or demonstrates a likelihood of suicide, commitment for involuntary long-term treatment is supposed to be pretty easy. But it isn't easy because progressive views (Democrats) on mental health, a misguided ACLU, courts reluctant to act, and a SCOTUS ruling in 1975 (O’Connor v. Donaldson, 422 U.S. 563) that found there is "no constitutional basis for confining such persons involuntarily if they are dangerous to no one", have made it damned near impossible to involuntarily commit anyone. That's what led to the utter neglect of the mentally ill and homeless that you see today. So the chickens coming home to roost has a lot more to do with the people you voted for than Ronald Reagan and the Lanterman-Petris-Short Act. Lanterman-Petris-Short was a noble goal. Reagan's a convenient scapegoat, though. Big fucking surprise.

I did say left wing talking monkeys not right wing.correct?

 

[Mr.B66]

It is corrupt as hell. Both parties have an agenda that is not in the publics best interest.

I think you and i have found common ground[emoji4]

 

[Big_paul]

The right wing talking monkeys are opposed to background checks .

 

[Big_paul]

I think you and i have found common ground[emoji4]

There is hope

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

I don't know why I am even responding to your post but here goes.

Mental health took a back seat since Reagan. All he did was shift people from mental institutions to prison. The guy had dementia in office.

Why so angry cbs? Are you mad all the time?

Not angry at all, just pointing out the irony that a self-professed Democrat is complaining about "left wing talking monkeys trying to take the weapons away from law abiding citizens."

And then you try to place the blame on Reagan for signing a Democrat inspired bill that prohibited forced medication and extended involuntary hospital committals without a judicial hearing.

People that think like you are common, Paul. They always vote Republican or always vote Democrat, not because they agree with their respective policies, but because that's how "pappy" and "grand pappy" always voted, so they do too. They hate one party or the other because that's what Pappy did. It doesn't matter that today's Democratic party isn't anything like grand pappy's Democrat party, it's still called the Democratic Party and that's all that matters.

The Democrats favor strict gun control, Paul. If they were honest, they would admit that what they really want is a total gun confiscation (Obama hinted at it the other day) but that would cost them votes. If you don't agree with what your party has become and the policies they support, stop voting for them. Like Reagan said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me."

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

The Democrats favor strict gun control, Paul. If they were honest, they would admit that what they really want is a total gun confiscation (Obama hinted at it the other day) but that would cost them votes. If you don't agree with what your party has become and the policies they support, stop voting for them. Like Reagan said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me."

Absolutely they want it. However their too chicken shit to rally on that point for stated reasons.

 

[Big_paul]

Not angry at all, just pointing out the irony that a self-professed Democrat is complaining about "left wing talking monkeys trying to take the weapons away from law abiding citizens."

And then you try to place the blame on Reagan for signing a Democrat inspired bill that prohibited forced medication and extended involuntary hospital committals without a judicial hearing.

People that think like you are common, Paul. They always vote Republican or always vote Democrat, not because they agree with their respective policies, but because that's how "pappy" and "grand pappy" always voted, so they do too. They hate one party or the other because that's what Pappy did. It doesn't matter that today's Democratic party isn't anything like grand pappy's Democrat party, it's still called the Democratic Party and that's all that matters.

The Democrats favor strict gun control, Paul. If they were honest, they would admit that what they really want is a total gun confiscation (Obama hinted at it the other day) but that would cost them votes. If you don't agree with what your party has become and the policies they support, stop voting for them. Like Reagan said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party, the Democratic Party left me."

I don't favor strict gun control. That is why I started this thread.

I don't think a person needs to tow the party line. I do have more incommon with the Democratic party than the Republican party at this time. Mostly because of social issues.

I am very much in support of the Republican parties stance on a the strongest military. Also I can not out of conscious support abortion of any kind unless in the case of rape and incest. Not very democratic .

If you would be interested in my political beliefs, please be specific, and I will answer them

 

[Gramps]

The right wing talking monkeys are opposed to background checks .

Anyone who's ever read the details on proposed background checks should be against them. They serve no purpose other than tracking guns and limiting those who are far from dangerous. Done right, they may be a good thing. As presented, fuck'em.

 

[Big_paul]

Anyone who's ever read the details on proposed background checks should be against them. They serve no purpose other than tracking guns and limiting those who are far from dangerous. Done right, they may be a good thing. As presented, fuck'em.

I am a card carrying member of the NRA. I am in favor of keeping guys out of the hands of people who should not have. Like I said in the opening of this thread, the mentally ill are the ones who have commited the mass shootings.

I don't trust those who want to take guys away from law abiding citizen, but imo a background check goes a long way in preserving our 2nd amendment rights.

 

[Gramps]

I agree on the mentally ill part. Too many of us qualify as such, though. I have a cimbalta script to back up an issue I can't discuss. I've never opened the bottle but it's a potential ccw card killer based on some proposed check boxes.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Disqualify anyone with a felony...ever
Disqualify mental illness. Although I don't really understand the boundaries on that one. Kinda hard to say what qualifies and what doesn't

After all that my damn citizenship and birth certificate should be my right to carry. CCL or registration on any I have. There shouldn't be restrictions on law abiding citizens.

Except of course explosives

 

[NovaFlex]

This is why i hold strong libertarian views when it comes to government and how this country should be run.

It is not a privilege but a right to protect yourself.

The country has gone too far 'progressive' and forgotten the constitution it was founded on.

People have become fucking leeches and forgotten what hard work is. They vote for whoever they believe will give them the most free stuff; too stupid to realize the trap they are falling in to.

 

[Morefyah]

I would endorse full gun confiscation. The facts are that it does works!
http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

Somebody please tell why a civilian needs are full arsonal at there home.
Creating a greater demand in the manufacturing of guns. More guns are made and more guns make it to the black market and the street.

Bottom line is no guns in circulation will result zero gun fatalities.
Can anybody argue this?

Obviously this will never happen.
Because we are a divided country that is to far to fucked to turn around at this point.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I would endorse full gun confiscation. The facts are that it does works!
http://www.businessinsider.com/canada-australia-japan-britain-gun-control-2013-1

Somebody please tell why a civilian needs are full arsonal at there home.
Creating a greater demand in the manufacturing of guns. More guns are made and more guns make it to the black market and the street.

Bottom line is no guns in circulation will result zero gun fatalities.
Can anybody argue this?

Obviously this will never happen.
Because we are a divided country that is to far to fucked to turn around at this point.

Simple.
America

We are not britain. We are not Canada.
We are

America