Gyno and tren?

[Lman]

Okay guys, I'm new to meso but am coming from evo. Apparently you guys here are more legit and after getting ripped off by a rep on evo I don't want to mess with that site ever again. Anyways, I've had Gyno that flares up during cycles but have always been able to control it or get it down to unnoticable levels. Well right now I'm week 3 into my tren ace, test prop, Winstrol cycle. Doing tren 350mg a week and test 350 a week, but last week I got a painful Gyno flare up. More on my right nip than left. It could be bc I didn't get my aromosin until this past Saturday. I shouldn't have been dumb knowing I'm Gyno prone, but I figured 350mg test wouldn't cause Gyno issues..

Anyways I've been taking the aromosin since Saturday. Hasn't really helped at all. Added in nolva(skeptical bc I know rumors say it interacts with tren) haven't seen and improvement, so today I'm dropping the test, keeping the tren, and upped the Winstrol to 70mg to see if that'll take the Gyno. Anyways I don't want to get off cycle bc I have a competition coming. If I ran Letro/caber and drop the test do you guys think I could continue my cycle..? I don't need more a lot more size, I just need to shred up and hold gains till competition day

I mean the Gyno isn't that bad yet, but I'm afraid of it getting worse. I'm waiting for the caberlone to get here, but that may be another week. Also I don't have a good Letro source so I had to get shitty r.c Letro from purchase peptides. I really really hope they don't send me bunk..

 

[Dr JIM]

how many cycles have you done?

Have you any labs?

Post some pics of your gyno

 

[Lman]

Unfortunately no, so I don't know where my blood levels are at..I know, irresponsible on my part. This is my third cycle.

 

[Lman]

But can't you reverse Gyno by correcting your estrogen to androgen ratio? So like keeping estrogen at basically zero and having super high androgen levels from the tren should possibly help? Or am I crazy thinking

 

[Dr JIM]

"Reverse gyno" now I've heard it all.

Let me suggest your in over your head.

Time to start reading fella

 

[Lman]

Okay I know the only way to get rid of Gyno is actual surgery, but what I mean is can I shrink my Gyno on a tren cycle? In the past I was able to shrink the Gyno but it was on a masteron cycle and I just dropped the test. I know tren is a whole different ball game. So can I shrink my Gyno while running tren?

 

[Lman]

Also not trying to come off as a know it all, I'm trying to learn if you could shed some light on the situation

 

[Dr JIM]

Okay I know the only way to get rid of Gyno is actual surgery, but what I mean is can I shrink my Gyno on a tren cycle? In the past I was able to shrink the Gyno but it was on a masteron cycle and I just dropped the test. I know tren is a whole different ball game. So can I shrink my Gyno while running tren?

You are playing w FIRE the more you use AAS the worse the condition becomes.

At your age the only viable options are have it removed surgically, or continue to cycle and grow tits!

Of course all of the above is based on YOUR DIAGNOSIS, absent any labs, HCP assessment or sonogram!

So at least have a doc check it out

 

[mkulltra58]

What do you mean by drop the test? Like not run any test at all? Are you using pharmacy grade, not research chem or ugl, aromasin? You also don't mention the dosage of aromasin.

You seem very unprepared, first of all, for this cycle. Secondly, you should already know how to handle gyno flare ups, especially if you are using tren. You shouldn't have to come to a steroid forum panicking and asking how to handle a gyno flare up. But, you are only 22 and seem too immature to be using steroids.

 

[Big_paul]

Unfortunately I believe the only way to get rid of gyno is with surgery.

 

[tattedlegend]

Some have had success using tamoxifen or raloxifene

 

[Dr JIM]

Some have had success using tamoxifen or raloxifene

Although SERMS are often useful in diminishing the hypertrophic effects of AAS on estrogen dependent breast tissue (AKA gynecomastia), surgical excision remains the ONLY cure.

There is NO scientific evidence to the contrary, except bro-science!

 

[Sabian]

I totally agree with Dr Jim . I do know from personal experience though that letrozole can reduce lumps from gyno. I had a lump half the size of a golf ball and was able to reduce it to next to nothing. Not totally gone but not visible. Everyone is different and will respond differently to letro. It might be worth giving some careful and thorough research. Letro is very powerful and can have some very noticeable sides especially at a high dose. No sex drive , Ed, fatigue dry joints etc.. .

 

[mkulltra58]

Okay guys, I'm new to meso but am coming from evo. Apparently you guys here are more legit and after getting ripped off by a rep on evo I don't want to mess with that site ever again. Anyways, I've had Gyno that flares up during cycles but have always been able to control it or get it down to unnoticable levels. Well right now I'm week 3 into my tren ace, test prop, Winstrol cycle. Doing tren 350mg a week and test 350 a week, but last week I got a painful Gyno flare up. More on my right nip than left. It could be bc I didn't get my aromosin until this past Saturday. I shouldn't have been dumb knowing I'm Gyno prone, but I figured 350mg test wouldn't cause Gyno issues..

Anyways I've been taking the aromosin since Saturday. Hasn't really helped at all. Added in nolva(skeptical bc I know rumors say it interacts with tren) haven't seen and improvement, so today I'm dropping the test, keeping the tren, and upped the Winstrol to 70mg to see if that'll take the Gyno. Anyways I don't want to get off cycle bc I have a competition coming. If I ran Letro/caber and drop the test do you guys think I could continue my cycle..? I don't need more a lot more size, I just need to shred up and hold gains till competition day

I mean the Gyno isn't that bad yet, but I'm afraid of it getting worse. I'm waiting for the caberlone to get here, but that may be another week. Also I don't have a good Letro source so I had to get shitty r.c Letro from purchase peptides. I really really hope they don't send me bunk..

Btw, we have also seen recently purchase peptides sending very underdosed or even bunk products. Do a search here and see what I mean.

 

[Dr JIM]

Sabian your age and experience make all the difference in the world. The OP has, what almost certainly is, prepubescent GCM. Yet in spite of knowing he is predisposed to GCM he elected to cycle THRICE by age 22, not once conducting labs, and to this day has no established baseline, sono, exam etc, etc, etc.

Oh and it's exacerbated by the fact the OP has been filled with misinformation from other boards that MUST now be unlearned.

It's for these reasons blindly treating a condition such as GCM is more likely to make matters worse, much worse. The most reliable remedy, stop cycling, institute PCT and continue until HTPA recovery is ensure by lab testing, obtain POST RECOVERY labs tests.

The above should then be followed by a complete baseline physical exam and sono. Finally at least SIX MONTHS devoted to reading, and unlearning the broscience which is responsible for at least some of the difficulties now being confronted.

This fella must first learn to help himself BEFORE we offer a bandaid for a wound that runs from his pituitary to the testes!

 

[Dr JIM]

Incidentally, I normally wouldn't waste my time scribing such long term solutions, but the OP seems to be legitimately interested in COMPETITIVE BB.

Regs
JIM

 

[Dr JIM]

I totally agree with Dr Jim . I do know from personal experience though that letrozole can reduce lumps from gyno. I had a lump half the size of a golf ball and was able to reduce it to next to nothing. Not totally gone but not visible. Everyone is different and will respond differently to letro. It might be worth giving some careful and thorough research. Letro is very powerful and can have some very noticeable sides especially at a high dose. No sex drive , Ed, fatigue dry joints etc.. .

Although AIs are used by some w GCM SERMS remain the DOC for several reasons;

1) the use of AIs alone requires a marked reduction of E-2

2) isolated AI therapy often results in intolerable adverse effects (SB listed several that are very common at the AI doses required for GCM)

3) AI therapy is systemic when the problem is focal

4) little, if any, research has investigated the efficacy of AIs as GCM TX

5) SERMS have been evaluated for use in both males and females while the majority of AI studies involve females with breast CA

6) FINALLY Nolvadex is the ONLY DRUG which has been well enough studied to conclude its "proven effective" as therapy for male GCM

Jim

 

[Sabian]

Sabian your age and experience make all the difference in the world. The OP has, what almost certainly is, prepubescent GCM. Yet in spite of knowing he is predisposed to GCM he elected to cycle THRICE by age 22, not once conducting labs, and to this day has no established baseline, sono, exam etc, etc, etc.

Oh and it's exacerbated by the fact the OP has been filled with misinformation from other boards that MUST now be unlearned.

It's for these reasons blindly treating a condition such as GCM is more likely to make matters worse, much worse. The most reliable remedy, stop cycling, institute PCT and continue until HTPA recovery is ensure by lab testing, obtain POST RECOVERY labs tests.

The above should then be followed by a complete baseline physical exam and sono. Finally at least SIX MONTHS devoted to reading, and unlearning the broscience which is responsible for at least some of the difficulties now being confronted.

This fella must first learn to help himself BEFORE we offer a bandaid for a wound that runs from his pituitary to the testes!

Well said. Agree 100% . I did almost edit and delete my previous response feeling as if my situation like you said is certainly different. This guy def needs to educate himself before he does more harm. Your responses are always very informative and smart . Thx

 

[Dr JIM]

Well said. Agree 100% . I did almost edit and delete my previous response feeling as if my situation like you said is certainly different. This guy def needs to educate himself before he does more harm. Your responses are always very informative and smart . Thx

Some have had success using tamoxifen or raloxifene

Don't get me wrong both of these suggestions are viable options for someone whom has established GCM, with my preference being the latter for the reasons I eluded to.

However I just believe we can and must to better than offer up a dose of XY or Z as a quick fix to what WILL become a long term problem for someone like the OP who SEEMS sincere about why he elected to use AAS from the outset, the pursuit of competitive BB.

For MOST noobs the suggestions you gents opined are on spot, bc for the majority AAS use is a passing thought, an experiment of sorts or a sport in and of itself, with a duration of several months or maybe a year, give or take.

So yea I'm hoping this fella is an outlier in that respect, but unfortunately I'm probably wrong there also

Regs
jim

 

[Lman]

You guys are right in me having to better educate myself. Okay well I had nolva on hand and knew my caberlone would be here soon as well as the aromosin. I admit to being stupid. I also plan on surgery but I need to get through college first and save up the 4K for that. In the mean time my Gyno isn't very bad, but I just was hoping y'all would have advice in reducing it enough to not be noticeable onstage. I mean I know Jeremy buenda has Gyno and he hides it well enough on stage to make it on the Olympia stage. Anyways my aromosin is Vermodje and nolva came from allday chemist and that's supposed to be pharm grade. If I had a legit source for pharm grade Letro I would have gone that route, but purchase peptides worked well enough in the past, but that was a while back ago. If someone could help me get Letro that would be awesome, but I know y'all don't like sharing sources with newbies and that's why I didn't even ask.

My plan was to drop my test prop and only take tren and Winstrol after this Gyno flat up, bc then technically my estrogen levels should go to near nothing since tren doesn't aromatize?