Gyno flare week two of test prop.

[Morefyah]

I am looking for a little advice on how to handle my gyno flare, it's week two of my test prop cycle.

I am currently six pinz in and I am running 125 mg four days a week.

I am obviously estro sensitive my nips got swollen and the old lumps That I have are starting to flare up. No itchiness but a little sore to the touch.

Was running aromasin at 12.5mg eod.
When gyno flared raised it to 25mg Ed
And still got no relief. Then I started taking some torem that I had at 120 mg. The aromasin was not working so now I am taking .5 mg adex ed.

I am already noticing a little relief, but not sure where to go from here.
On top of all this I have had some pretty nasty test flu or what ever.
Severe lethargy, head cold, chills insomnia, and I am really pissy and sensitive about everything. There is also some unwanted aggression towards my innocent co workers and one of the girls I'm hanging out with.

Then there is the pip it was pretty crippling the first week and I was only able two workout twice.

This week has gotten better.
My sixth shot to my left glute was completely pip free. I couldn't believe it. I have been cutting my prop with gso from the start. But it didn't seem to help at all.

The only thing I did different this time was to warm up the oils in a hot water bath. I think it was a combination of that, better technique and hitting the right spot.

Is this all normal?
What's should I do about the
high e2 and gyno

 

[Dwizzle]

I am looking for a little advice on how to handle my gyno flare, it's week two of my test prop cycle.

I am currently six pinz in and I am running 125 mg four days a week.

I am obviously estro sensitive my nips got swollen and the old lumps That I have are starting to flare up. No itchiness but a little sore to the touch.

Was running aromasin at 12.5mg eod.
When gyno flared raised it to 25mg Ed
And still got no relief. Then I started taking some torem that I had at 120 mg. The aromasin was not working so now I am taking .5 mg adex ed.

I am already noticing a little relief, but not sure where to go from here.
On top of all this I have had some pretty nasty test flu or what ever.
Severe lethargy, head cold, chills insomnia, and really pissy and sensitive about everything.

Then there is the pip it was pretty crippling the first week and I was only able two workout twice.

This week has gotten better.
My sixth shot to my left glute was completely pip free. I couldn't believe it. I have been cutting my prop with gso from the start. But it didn't seem to help at all.

The only thing I did different this time was to warm up the oils in a hot water bath. I think it was a combination of that, better technique and hitting the right spot.

Is this all normal?
What's should I do about the
high e2 and gyno

The Prop is a short ester, that being said, if your gyno is not responding fast enough with the current adex dosing, maybe skip one injection while continuing the adex and hopefully that will get you back to normal, or close enough to where you can continue your cycle.

Keep in mind once you get back to normal the .5 ED will probably be a bit to much and may crash your levels (you are using a high enough dose to get rid of gyno not just control it). Adex has a half life of about 2 days if I remember correctly so you currently actually have a steady level of .75mg in your system. Once in check I would move to EOD putting you at .5mg constant. If needed you can jump back up, but IMO the less you have to put in your system the better. I would try to find that sweet spot.

As far as the test flu. That is hard to diagnose. As long as its over and you are fine I wouldn't worry about it.

PIP is a thing you have to deal with lol. Seems like you have gotten use to it and yes its normal. Keep warming it up before injection if its working.

Good luck brother!

 

[Northern Nutrition]

Im only addressing your estrogen issue. Do you have tamoxifen (nolva) on hand? Stay the course at .5mg Adex ED and add 10mg tamox until you find relief - roughly 5-6 days give or take. Then drop the tamox and continue Adex @ .5mg EotherD. Monitor from there. IF your gear is good, this will gradually reduce your E2 and not present any further sides or complications from any major fluctuations.

 

[Maktub]

Now that adex is helping, Better yet ! Rule # 1 get bloods ! So you can hit estro in a better way

 

[Morefyah]

Great feedback guys thank you!
This is only my second test cycle.
I know it can be tricky to get gyno under control without crashing e2.

Estro definitely caught me off guard.
I'm literally pissed at everything.
High BP and hard time catching my breath when I work out.

On the bright side strength is up arms and chest are starting to stay pumped.
Veins are starting to pop a little, and I have gained about 4lbs prob all water.

I just wish I felt better.
Yes I have some pharm grade torem and nolva.

 

[Sworder]

I just wish I felt better.
Yes I have some pharm grade torem and nolva.

Frontload the nolva, take 120mg the first day. 20mg after that, otherwise it takes 4 weeks to reach its supposed levels.

 

[Morefyah]

Frontload the nolva, take 120mg the first day. 20mg after that, otherwise it takes 4 weeks to reach its supposed levels.

So the only way nolva works is a 120 mg the first day and 20 mg after.

Sounds like bro science to me.
Lol, if it took 4 weeks for nolva to kick in then why would people even use it for pct?

I have been taking 40 mg the last three days and tomorrow I will drop to 20 mg Ed until gyno symptoms subside.

I have also taken.5 mg of Adex Ed the last three days. Soreness is starting to go away, nips still a little puffy.

 

[Sworder]

So the only way nolva works is a 120 mg the first day and 20 mg after.

Sounds like bro science to me.
Lol, if it took 4 weeks for nolva to kick in then why would people even use it for pct?

I have been taking 40 mg the last three days and tomorrow I will drop to 20 mg Ed until gyno symptoms subside.

I have also taken.5 mg of Adex Ed the last three days. Soreness is starting to go away, nips still a little puffy.

It's called pharmacokinetics, can you say that word? FARM-A-CO-KIN-ETICS?

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/frontloading.134315143/
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/frontloading-serms.134314351/

Sounds like you need to use the search function!

The reason, if you are able to read and comprehend the threads. Is that you reach steady state concentrations faster, especially with gyno flares this is important.

You are taking 40mg ED for one or two weeks because you were told so. You are just parroting or following the advice of a parrot. You are actually frontloading by doing 40/20/20/20.
You don't know you are doing it, because you don't understand the concept nor care to read up on why the dose would be changed. You never asked the question, why?
Why am I taking 40 mg this week and 20mg the next weeks?

To answer your question although it is posed as an insult rather than curiosity, nolva has a 5 day half life so to make it simple you can use a formula of 4 or 5 times the half life. So for Nolva, clomid, and testosterone enanthate; 5x4-5=20-25 days until you reach steady state concentrations(SSC.) SSC in layman's terms is when you are actually "doing" or metabolizing a certain amount/day. So remember your first cycle, when you injected 250mg Test E on a 500mg Test E cycle. You actually only "did" 125mg of that Testosterone enanthate the first 4-5 days, which is 25mg/day. And you wanted to do 71mg/day=500mg/week testosterone enanthate/day. So to hurry the process up you can, in pharmacology, or bro-science as you call it, frontload. It is used by doctor's often with antibiotics that have a longer half-life.

I don't know how to dumb it down anymore... Basically when you are doing your parroted formula of 40/20/20/20 you are doing that extra 20mg as a loading dose each day. Which can be, and should be, applied the first day as a 5x4-5 dose + your average dose. Typically all these letters and words confuse the average bro so they don't question why. Well nor did you, you just said I was full of shit...

BTW, is bro science something that the average "bro" doesn't understand nor care to look up? I feel I am answering your question so I would appreciate if you answered that one properly.

If you have been on the forum for almost a year, don't be scared to ask people why? Maybe do it in a more respectful manner and you will get a more respectful response. Also, as that one idiot says, "I don't spoon-feed people" well, I served you a spoonful, all you need to open up and say AHHHHH and I will even close your little mouth for you. Swallowing is something you will have to do on your own

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

The reason, if you are able to read and comprehend the threads. Is that you reach steady state concentrations faster, especially with gyno flares this is important.

Tell us, Dr. Sworder, why is it important to achieve steady state levels quickly with "gyno flares?"

You are taking 40mg ED for one or two weeks because you were told so. You are just parroting or following the advice of a parrot. You are actually frontloading by doing 40/20/20/20.

And you're parroting Bill Roberts.

Also, as that one idiot says, "I don't spoon-feed people" well, I served you a spoonful, all you need to open up and say AHHHHH

You served a spoonful alright. A spoonful of bullshit.

 

[Morefyah]

It's called pharmacokinetics, can you say that word? FARM-A-CO-KIN-ETICS?

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/frontloading.134315143/
https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/frontloading-serms.134314351/

Sounds like you need to use the search function!

The reason, if you are able to read and comprehend the threads. Is that you reach steady state concentrations faster, especially with gyno flares this is important.

You are taking 40mg ED for one or two weeks because you were told so. You are just parroting or following the advice of a parrot. You are actually frontloading by doing 40/20/20/20.
You don't know you are doing it, because you don't understand the concept nor care to read up on why the dose would be changed. You never asked the question, why?
Why am I taking 40 mg this week and 20mg the next weeks?

To answer your question although it is posed as an insult rather than curiosity, nolva has a 5 day half life so to make it simple you can use a formula of 4 or 5 times the half life. So for Nolva, clomid, and testosterone enanthate; 5x4-5=20-25 days until you reach steady state concentrations(SSC.) SSC in layman's terms is when you are actually "doing" or metabolizing a certain amount/day. So remember your first cycle, when you injected 250mg Test E on a 500mg Test E cycle. You actually only "did" 125mg of that Testosterone enanthate the first 4-5 days, which is 25mg/day. And you wanted to do 71mg/day=500mg/week testosterone enanthate/day. So to hurry the process up you can, in pharmacology, or bro-science as you call it, frontload. It is used by doctor's often with antibiotics that have a longer half-life.

I don't know how to dumb it down anymore... Basically when you are doing your parroted formula of 40/20/20/20 you are doing that extra 20mg as a loading dose each day. Which can be, and should be, applied the first day as a 5x4-5 dose + your average dose. Typically all these letters and words confuse the average bro so they don't question why. Well nor did you, you just said I was full of shit...

BTW, is bro science something that the average "bro" doesn't understand nor care to look up? I feel I am answering your question so I would appreciate if you answered that one properly.

If you have been on the forum for almost a year, don't be scared to ask people why? Maybe do it in a more respectful manner and you will get a more respectful response. Also, as that one idiot says, "I don't spoon-feed people" well, I served you a spoonful, all you need to open up and say AHHHHH and I will even close your little mouth for you. Swallowing is something you will have to do on your own

No need to be a condescending dick!

 

[Sworder]

No need to be a condescending dick!

No need to be a "broscience" dick!

 

[Morefyah]

Trolling ass faggot.
Get the fuck out if my thread.
You don't know shit, an your advice sucks, like you do to your boy friends dick. Fuck off cunt!!

 

[Sworder]

Trolling ass faggot.
Get the fuck out if my thread.
You don't know shit, an your advice sucks, like you do to your boy friends dick. Fuck off cunt!!

Now now, Morefyah, I am sorry if you didn't like my advice. It was for your own sake! I think you can curse and "diss" me a little better than that. I would expect that from CBS, you can do better if you try.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1588642/1/Seto-s-Guide-to-Dissing-People
"Yes, you need an IQ higher than road pizza to safely diss people; or at the very least the IQ of a beaver."

 

[ChuckSipes]

Now now, Morefyah, I am sorry if you didn't like my advice. It was for your own sake! I think you can curse and "diss" me a little better than that. I would expect that from CBS, you can do better if you try.

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/1588642/1/Seto-s-Guide-to-Dissing-People
"Yes, you need an IQ higher than road pizza to safely diss people; or at the very least the IQ of a beaver."

hahaha you really know how to get under peoples skin lmaaaao - you're hella condescending but then sprinkling a bit of politeness in there

i just wanna kiss ur forehead and tell you 'everything is okay' but at the same time give your eyelids paper cuts for an hour straight lol