Wrong. Being an AAS user does not help because you are encouraging DHT while trying to block it at the same time, people that are serious about hair loss are not all using gear, they are just using the blockers such as propecia and proscar (which is better value for money) or even Avadart which is the strongest. It seems users are trying to have their cake and eat it when it comes to saving their scalp...However you could try minoxidil (regaine) ( or rogaine if you are from the states) as that is a topical solution that works in a different way, it ain't nothing fantastic though.
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I did not know you could get Dutasteride as a lotion, I'm very interested how this would pan out, in fact I want to get some.
mmajstor812
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Does high dose of b complex vitamins help? I tried 100mg but maybe is just placebo?
Ghoul
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B matters for hair only if you're deficient, unlikely,
Magnesium Threonate however, increases hair count.
It's also just an incredible supplement period. One of the few you can really "feel" the effects of, especially its impact on sleep and anti-anxiety. The only type that penetrates the blood brain barrier and supports brain function in a way that can be seen on scans. Highly recommended if you're not supplementing Magnesium or currently using another form,
For anyone who has tried the topical Galcare Dutasteride, is standard dosage 10 sprays 2x a day? How long does a 60ml bottle last?
I hate fin but looked at some pics of me from my wedding 8 years ago when I had what passed as an almost full head of hair so I decided try to hold on to what l have left, possibly regrow some and maybe even get a transplant in a couple years.
For DHT suppression I’m on .5mg fin ED and slowly titrating up to 1mg but if I can just rub some dut on my scalp and not have sore nipples that sounds much better.
I hate fin but looked at some pics of me from my wedding 8 years ago when I had what passed as an almost full head of hair so I decided try to hold on to what l have left, possibly regrow some and maybe even get a transplant in a couple years.
For DHT suppression I’m on .5mg fin ED and slowly titrating up to 1mg but if I can just rub some dut on my scalp and not have sore nipples that sounds much better.
Ghoul
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Shit sneaks up on you. By the time you really notice it, a huge amount of loss has taken place. It's an optical illusion because a lot of density is lost, but there's enough standing to hide that fact.
Like cutting a ton of trees from the forest, and leaving just enough to make it look like it's mostly still full.
Thats why 8,000 transplanted hairs can sort of look like they've replaced what was 100,000 before loss, by a top surgeon. But really, don't count on it ever looking nearly as good as what you had. Best to preserve a head of hair that's still worth preserving.
You can also grow back a decent amount with most prevention protocols, if you do it soon enough to rescue the follicles that are in a "coma", but not completely dead yet.
It's really basic.
Dut (or fin) and minox do 95% of the heavy lifting of preservation and recovery.
Everything else can help a little, but not much.
I tried fin/min for a year, didn’t think it was doing anything except giving me gyno so I stopped, figured it was too late and just cut it very short and ran whatever cycles I wanted without thinking about my hair for the last year.
Looking back I should have just stuck it out and been more selective with the gear I ran.
Starting over again with the hair loss protocol.
Looking back I should have just stuck it out and been more selective with the gear I ran.
Starting over again with the hair loss protocol.
Ghoul
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It's hard to appreciate "preservation", especially when loss is still happening. Whatever protocol you can live with is at least slowing the florist fire to a slower pace than it would happen otherwise.
If you ever doubt whether the effort is worth it, consider why plenty of guys willingly spend $10k, even $100k on transplants to get a result that most of the time, is "meh".
RedSalmon
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I don't think shampoos will help much here, my friend, because the issue of hair loss during a steroid cycle lies in the shortened life cycle of hair follicles, which are affected by dihydrotestosterone (a derivative of testosterone). However, these effects don’t occur in everyone, as some individuals are genetically not sensitive to dihydrotestosterone at the follicle level. Strangely enough, the higher your testosterone levels, the more body hair you grow and the less you have on your head, while higher estrogen levels mean less body hair but more on your scalp. That’s why bald women are a rare sight 
You do understand what Dutasteride does, right?I don't think shampoos will help much here, my friend, because the issue of hair loss during a steroid cycle lies in the shortened life cycle of hair follicles, which are affected by dihydrotestosterone (a derivative of testosterone). However, these effects don’t occur in everyone, as some individuals are genetically not sensitive to dihydrotestosterone at the follicle level. Strangely enough, the higher your testosterone levels, the more body hair you grow and the less you have on your head, while higher estrogen levels mean less body hair but more on your scalp. That’s why bald women are a rare sight
I was on dud, it will turn you into a dud after a while
Ghoul
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Gotta find the right dose. I'm surprised there's not a reference range for DHT levels that are "safe" for the majority of men not to feel sides while on a 5-ar.
it was only one tablet a day 0.5mg, was one it for about 2 years, it will affect your sex drive negatively after a while as you are interfering with dht.
Ghoul
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I crash DHT with major sides, including total loss of libido. even on low doses of a 5-ar. Finally found .25mg / day Fin worked for me without sides. Basically a small crumb of a quartered fin tablet.
Wouldn't have dreamed of fucking with Dut since it only came in .5mg capsule (equivalent to 1.5mg Fin) which I knew would kill my DHT after a single capsule.
But once I found the solid tablets, only available in Asia, I was able to split them and found a low enough dose (.25mg /2x week) that worked without inducing sides.
I’m going to order some of that topical dut and see what happens because being back on fin reminds me of why I quit taking it in the first place.
.25 ED last week and .5mg ED this week and my nipples are already on fire and scalp still has that DHT itch/burn that tells me I’m about to lose another 500 hairs.
.25 ED last week and .5mg ED this week and my nipples are already on fire and scalp still has that DHT itch/burn that tells me I’m about to lose another 500 hairs.
Ghoul
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Don't ignore that sensation on your scalp. It *IS* indicative of inflammation. Mine used to follow my hairline. Burning, then I'd lose ground, and the burning would return some time later at the hairline in its retreated location.
If you don't have it already, you should order a few bottles of Keto 2% shampoo and a few strips of Ivermectin 12mg .
Already use keto 2% 2-3x a week, but more is going in the same order.
How does the ivermectin work on the scalp? Just an inflammation reducer?
RedSalmon
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I've looked into the effects of Dutasteride in detail. Theoretically, the drug reduces DHT levels in the blood by 90 percent. I'm curious if Dutasteride is really so effective in practice?
Ghoul
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Multiple solid studies confirm Dutasteride is more effective, primarily by showing greater hair / cm counts.
But it's not just the systemic reduction in DHT, but where it's reduced.
Type 1 5-AR converts testosterone to DHT *within the hair follicle*. That DHT immediately starts to cause hair loss, and it ends up in scalp oil, acting like a topical DHT lotion on your head.
Only Dutasteride stops Type 1 5-AR (and Type 2), Finasteride only stops type 2 conversion.
Ghoul
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Demodex thrive on sebum in scalp follicles, and nearly all adults have them. Some species will eat cells within follicles with sharp mouth parts damaging hair, and since none of them have an anus, when they die inside the pore they live in, their body breaks open releasing bacteria laden waste, causing inflammation that accelerates hair loss.
.2mg/kg Ivermectin once a week for 8-10 weeks eliminates them and improves skin condition. You can round up, so 2x12mg tabs once a week would work for most men, 1 for women.
It'll also clear you of parasites you may have picked up from food, like many people have. It's a very safe, essentially side effect free drug given preventively in many regions of the world, from infants to the elderly.
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