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juicedUp1111
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Read up on it on their site. If you take it you should continue to take it. 1mg a day at least. I take 1.25mg by splitting proscar 5mg in 4's.
Read up on it on their site. If you take it you should continue to take it. 1mg a day at least. I take 1.25mg by splitting proscar 5mg in 4's.
Wolf
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what chemical reaction are you guys talking about that makes finasteride amplify hair loss with deca?????
Green Darter
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john primo said:Ryan I must disagree. If hes MPB or a receiding hair line he should stay as far away for anabolics as possible. Primo will have your hair falling out in clumps bro , and DONT even think about using proscar with anabolics it will amplify the hair loss 100% . Stick qith Test . d-bol things of those natures, use rogain and proscar and that is as safe as your gonna get on your hairline bro. I blindedly used EQ and proscar together , this was before all the info about the anabolic/propecia thing was discovered and I got screwed . First main discovery was to never use propecia with Deca. Be safe keep your hair.
JP
How does proscar(finerstide) and deca combo increase hair loss?
I sware by finerstade it gave me back the hair I once had.
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Green Darter
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steve21 said:
I am a fan of Proscar though some here say if combined with gear it causes more hair loss. to be fair I never took Deca when I started with Proscar. I have taken Test and my true "love" anavar.
I myself found anavar to be safe on the hair and for me it gives size,hardness.
dont misconstrue what i am saying I dont take it every day but for a light cycle when I do cycle.
Proscar doesnt work right away start to take it before you cycle and after.I at one time had a big bald spot that is completely gone now due to Proscar(cut the tablet in 1/4 place in empty gel capsules).
I take it like 4 or 5 days aweek well used to cant for awhile because trying to have a baby(heeheee my wife is not me) but if your going to take it ONLY for your cycle. I would start 10 days before finish 10 days after cycle.
Lots of different opinions on this board because what works for one might not work for others. If you never took any gear before you might want to look into 6OXO. Its the weakest of the pro hormones used after a cycle but does work on its own. I tried a bottle noticed difference on 2/3 pills nightly.
Pro hormones arent to big on this board but some work very well
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Wolf
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Green Darter said:
I am wondering where they got this from to. I want to know what chemical reaction is happened with deca and 5alpha reductase cause thats the only enzyme that i know of that proscar inhibits.
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Wolf said:
I am interested in reading this to. I think what may have happened to a few here that used Proscar with gear is that they thought it was a magic pill and works right away.
They have to use it before they go on the gear and after atleast a few weeks.
Its not like gear that in a couple of days you start to see difference it takes time at the 1.5 mg dose which is a safe but effective dose though it takes time.
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this is what ive read about propecia and nandrolone
test turns into dihydrotest by 5 alpha reductase...we all know this shit
nandrolone turns into dihydronandrolone (DHN) by the same enzyme.
dht is more 'powerful' than test,,,, dhn is less powerful than nandrolone.
so if you block 5 alpha reductase, nandrolone wont be able to turn into this innocent soft weak molecule, instead its like any ohter non aromatizing mild androgen floating around,,,so you lose more hair compared to deca(nandrolone) itself without propecia(finasteride)
test turns into dihydrotest by 5 alpha reductase...we all know this shit
nandrolone turns into dihydronandrolone (DHN) by the same enzyme.
dht is more 'powerful' than test,,,, dhn is less powerful than nandrolone.
so if you block 5 alpha reductase, nandrolone wont be able to turn into this innocent soft weak molecule, instead its like any ohter non aromatizing mild androgen floating around,,,so you lose more hair compared to deca(nandrolone) itself without propecia(finasteride)
Wolf
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EDED said:
I see what your saying but what if you use test with deca? This is the most popular stack ever "test and deca." Almost all of my cycles include these two drugs. Would you think it better to block test from turning into dht and not worry about the affect of deca on hair loss since it would be the lesser of the two evils when it comes to hair loss. Have you read anything on this I am curious to have this cleared up. I held my finasteride in high regard up till now. Jeez you guys are raining on my parade...
Wolf, in that case if you HAVE to do use deca instead of eq then i guess i would use propecia to block out dht, since thats like five (?) times stronger than test...
i was gonna post something similar regarding eq and propecia, if eq gets metabolized by 5 alpha reductase, its gonna look like 1-test....now is that more androgenic than DHT ? some said finasteride wont work with eq, but i think it will, theres a double bond in the fourth carbon in the A ring,,,im not trying sound like a dork, but if theres a diagram, you will know what im talkin about easily...then again there are exceptions like trenbolone has a double bond in the fourth position, it doesnt aromatize and im not sure if finasteride will work to minimize hair loss,
also primo and winny and other derivatives that dont aromatize, they make your hair fall out because its already in the reduced form, acting similar like dht...if it looks similar, it will behave similar, AGAIN, there are exceptions, but most of the time thats how drugs work... most of derivatives all those things occur in the "A" ring.
refer to this website, for diagrams of different drugs, and you can observe on your own,,"A" ring is the first ring of a parent molecule.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm
if someone has more info on this topic, i would like to learn more, cuz this shit gets confusing. Especially since if some famous guru says one thing and another guru says another, shit gets really confusing.
also refer to www.t-mag.com use the search engine to dig up some info on this matter, pretty interesting, i mean i disagree with some posts, but intersting anyways.
i was gonna post something similar regarding eq and propecia, if eq gets metabolized by 5 alpha reductase, its gonna look like 1-test....now is that more androgenic than DHT ? some said finasteride wont work with eq, but i think it will, theres a double bond in the fourth carbon in the A ring,,,im not trying sound like a dork, but if theres a diagram, you will know what im talkin about easily...then again there are exceptions like trenbolone has a double bond in the fourth position, it doesnt aromatize and im not sure if finasteride will work to minimize hair loss,
also primo and winny and other derivatives that dont aromatize, they make your hair fall out because its already in the reduced form, acting similar like dht...if it looks similar, it will behave similar, AGAIN, there are exceptions, but most of the time thats how drugs work... most of derivatives all those things occur in the "A" ring.
refer to this website, for diagrams of different drugs, and you can observe on your own,,"A" ring is the first ring of a parent molecule.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catsteroids.htm
if someone has more info on this topic, i would like to learn more, cuz this shit gets confusing. Especially since if some famous guru says one thing and another guru says another, shit gets really confusing.
also refer to www.t-mag.com use the search engine to dig up some info on this matter, pretty interesting, i mean i disagree with some posts, but intersting anyways.
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Answer to Finasteride/Deca
It doesn't bro. Deca is converted to DHN. As test is converted to DHT. Now, DHN is not hard on your hair. DHT is. So people take proscar while cycling TEST and DECA and it prevents TEST from turning into DHT, as well as it prevents DECA (Nandrolone) from turning into the less potent androgen DHN, keeping it as it's original molecule NANDROLONE which I am not sure of it's effects on hair loss. So ultimately it is OK to take proscar with DECA. Please, CORRECT ME if I am wrong. I just may be, this is just my understanding of the subject.
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It doesn't bro. Deca is converted to DHN. As test is converted to DHT. Now, DHN is not hard on your hair. DHT is. So people take proscar while cycling TEST and DECA and it prevents TEST from turning into DHT, as well as it prevents DECA (Nandrolone) from turning into the less potent androgen DHN, keeping it as it's original molecule NANDROLONE which I am not sure of it's effects on hair loss. So ultimately it is OK to take proscar with DECA. Please, CORRECT ME if I am wrong. I just may be, this is just my understanding of the subject.
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Silverback
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I was losing my hair a couple of years ago, so I just shaved it---
So I can take whatever and not worry about losing my hair(again)
That is one benefit of being bald
So I can take whatever and not worry about losing my hair(again)
That is one benefit of being bald
jimanold22
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Silverback said:I was losing my hair a couple of years ago, so I just shaved it---
So I can take whatever and not worry about losing my hair(again)
That is one benefit of being bald
I'm with you bro,Had some bad stress in my life at 19.My hair started thinning and receding.Sported it the best I could till age 22 and shaved it.It's a good thing shaved heads are in.lol.Thanks to Vin Diesel for starting a trend for us bald guys.
joe shmoe
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ok...so now i've got a question. primo is real hard on my hair. what can i take to prevent or minimize this? anything?
have a nice day
have a nice day
Wolf
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I appreciate you trying to clear things up Eded. To answer your question dht and test-1 from what I have heard are similar in androgenic properties so I assume test-1 would murder your scalp along with dht. Again, thanks for the info...
DECA with FINASTERIDE...
The problem when taking Deca with finasteride, is that the finasteride inhibits the 5AR enzyme from converting nandrolone to dihydronandrolone which is MUCH easier on the hairline. I've actually read about the same problems with equipose that finasteride inhibits the 5AR from converting it to dihydroboldenone which is also much easier on the hairline. The reason why these choices are MPB friendly, is that those who use them discontinue their use of finasteride about a week before and throughout their cycle. I am unaware how long they wait until recommencement as the half life of deca is a long time. The best cycle to go for if you are prone to MPB is anavar and any TEST.
The problem when taking Deca with finasteride, is that the finasteride inhibits the 5AR enzyme from converting nandrolone to dihydronandrolone which is MUCH easier on the hairline. I've actually read about the same problems with equipose that finasteride inhibits the 5AR from converting it to dihydroboldenone which is also much easier on the hairline. The reason why these choices are MPB friendly, is that those who use them discontinue their use of finasteride about a week before and throughout their cycle. I am unaware how long they wait until recommencement as the half life of deca is a long time. The best cycle to go for if you are prone to MPB is anavar and any TEST.
Wolf
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Just a FYI guys I have seen people say that primo is good for not causing hair loss and someone allready cleared that one up but winny and var can cause hair loss. Apparently var doesn't have the affinity for the receptors as does something like primo but I have read in several places var in high enough doses will trigger hair loss...
Green Darter
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Silverback said:I was losing my hair a couple of years ago, so I just shaved it---
So I can take whatever and not worry about losing my hair(again)
That is one benefit of being bald
I agree with you.I am close to 31 now and women my age as a whole dont give a monkeys ass if you have hair or not.
2 of my 3 sisters 26 and 28 are married to 2 guys that went bald. They couldnt give a damn about it. My wife couldnt care less.
However it did bother me I wasnt the same outgoing person I used to be. Finersteride gave me back my hair and I am back to normal. Though I must admit its rather pathetic to say that but I cant help it .
The shaved look works great for some but I am not one of those heehee.
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