HCG and Adex only to Boost Test according to Rich Piana

[VVV]

Hi guys, I'm still holding off on going on a cycle, though in time I will surely go into TRT.
But first I'd like to try what Rich Piana recommends. He uses this while off for 3 months, allegedly holding on to all his massive gains.
Here is the man himself in his own words:

So I understand he's doing this to bridge from 1 cycle to the next, which is not what I'm doing.
But apparently this boost test to way above v=baseline?
He says for a beginner, 2500 iu every 5 days. This is what I'm planning to do, plus adex 0.25 eod.

What do you think? Smart? Stupid? Safe? HPTA-suicide?

This thread here seems to support the idea:
"Days 1-16 hcg 2500Iu EOD
Days 1-30 clomid 100mg ED
Days 1-45 nolva 20mg ED


^^^^ Thats a good restart protocol you have there , Ive seen it work in others trying to give up the TRT . Stay at it and have confidence it will work . It will work....~Ogh"
https://thinksteroids.com/community...-of-anabolic-steroids.134361843/#post-1196743

 

[Docd187123]

So you're waiting to cycle which I'm assuming is bc of the suppressive effects on the HPTA yet you want to take HCG which suppresses the P in HPTA?

Edit* and PiAna is an idiot. Only listen to him when there's nothing good on Comedy Central.

 

[VVV]

HAHAHA, really? Damn...
So using hcg as outlined (2500 e5d) would not be a good idea? With Adex?
If I understand correctly, as I come off this cycle I'd still need to recover?
Thanks for your patience, especially if I don't get it right away, I AM a newb after all...

 

[VVV]

Here, is this info incorrect?
"The most common side affect associated with hCG is gynecomastia. The concurrent intake of Nolvadex with hCG prevents gynecomastia, prevents/minimizes leydig cell desensitization and continues the stimulation of pituitary LH once hCG has been discontinued."
From:

http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads/630372-Should-HCG-be-used-at-all

 

[Docd187123]

HAHAHA, really? Damn...
So using hcg as outlined (2500 e5d) would not be a good idea? With Adex?
If I understand correctly, as I come off this cycle I'd still need to recover?
Thanks for your patience, especially if I don't get it right away, I AM a newb after all...

HCG maybe a good idea for someone running a cycle, on TRT, trying to regain natural hormone production, etc but to build muscle is t one of them. HCG will not get your test levels anywhere near as high as a cycle would and yes, HCG is suppressive to the HPTA.

 

[Sworder]

You have low T? And you want to boost your testosterone by doing a restart?

First of all you need to get labs done, tT LH FSH e2 and the works as well.

 

[Docd187123]

You have low T? And you want to boost your testosterone by doing a restart?

First of all you need to get labs done, tT LH FSH e2 and the works as well.

I don't think he has low t. I think he's saying he wants to cycle eventually which will most likely mean TRT. He wants to use HCG and adex as Piana suggests using them to get higher test levels as a bridge or ghetto cycle almos.

 

[Sworder]

Ok. wasn't clear to me.


Drop the SERMs if doing the hCG for the bridge.

 

[VVV]

AH OK, I'm not sure I understand, Sworder.
My idea was to use something other than AAS to build some lean mass, before I take the plunge into the AAS world/TRT world.
As I understand it it's kind of a one way road and I want to exhaust all other options first.
Thanks!

 

[VVV]

I also don't think my T is especially low, though it most certainly isn't where it was in my 20's...

 

[Sworder]

I also don't think my T is especially low, though it most certainly isn't where it was in my 20's...

Got labs?

 

[VVV]

Nope, never did them yet... just going by age and subjective feel, sex drive and so on.

 

[caveman72]

Nope, never did them yet... just going by age and subjective feel, sex drive and so on.

since you're a Little scared I understand I don't believe in cycles only just blast and cruise or trt and bridge etc.
I'm not s advocate of darns nut look it up supposed to be easier on hpta.
maybe you should do what I did when I was younger just did a anavar cycle got strength up amazing strength for me in 20s
I was scares back then so I for off even did anadrol 50 once didn't get on a.a.s.tell a year ago I'm 42. read on pct learn this then you probably will be okay

 

[VVV]

@caveman72 'darns nut' ?

 

[VVV]

Yeah I've been reading up on pct quite a bit now...
Here's a question: provided this Rich Piana protocol of 2500 iu hcg every 5 days plus adex works in boosting my testo much higher than before (I'm not on pct, but I'm guessing my T is a little low), and it does shut down the P in HPTA, isn't that still milder than shutting down EVERYTHING by using AAS?
Just thinking, not trying to be a smartass here...

 

[VVV]

@caveman72 how about insulin only? Fast acting, post workout?

 

[caveman72]

I see what you're saying doctors actually prescribed these things to get you're test going again some will do this before prescribing test they want you to do it natural if you can.
I don't think you should consider insulin I work with diabetes its dangerous playing with that you.
should go ahead do a 12 week cycle kick start have a pct just get off my hpta. is screwed drugs,and superdrol didn't help my test was 180 a year ago I'm on forever tell I at least die or win

 

[Sworder]

Nope, never did them yet... just going by age and subjective feel, sex drive and so on.

Get labs if you want to know if you have low test.