HCG during cycle, or after?

[West31]

Iv historically used HCG by blasting it for 2 weeks once test clears my system prior to beginning clomid/nolva pct.

Im finding so many mixed opinions throughout the internet and YouTube so I’d like some opinions from the experienced guys on meso before planning my next cycle.

 

[Gixjon22]

Might get more attention and responses in the pct thread. FYI.

 

[West31]

Might get more attention and responses in the pct thread. FYI.

Appreciate it, thank you

 

[Vozol]

during

 

[Jin23]

Using hcg during a cycle keeps your testies working for the whole duration of the cycle. This is crucial for keeping the testicular function of your testies and it will make your pct much easier.

If you consistently used hcg during your cycle, using hcg after the cycle is just to make the transition to natty a bit more seamless. You can use it a week into pct, and by a week into pct I mean, a week after the aas has totally cleared. For E/C esters that is usually anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks, depending on the dosage used. For 250mg's 2 weeks tends to be enough but for 500 or above it's going to be 3 or even 4 for 750 - 1g doses.

For normal cycle durations (ie. 8 to 16 weeks) after one full week of full pct, in my experience, you should be producing LH at 50 to 100% normal capacity. This is why I would stop using hcg at this point to avoid any further suppression of your natural gonadotropins. If it was a super suppressive cycle, nandrolones plus more then two compounds (the more compounds you use, the harder it is to recover), then imo two weeks of hcg isn't a bad idea.

You should also note that hcg on cycle doesn't work the same with all the different compounds and dosages you can take. You might need more or less of it for heavier or lighter cycles, to produce the same results. For trt test dosages it has been researched, that 250iu e48h, produced almost 100% of intratesticular test compared to baseline. So with light cycles I would use 250 and with heavier 500 e48h. But if your hcg is half bunk, then you might need a bit more.

 

[Abt]

Blasting hcg could cause some e2 problems also, id always recommend using it during cycle.

 

[kosp]

I would like to do HCG during the cycle but I share the fridge with other people and I don´t want them to see the vials, so I buy 2000ui vials and do the classic protocol of 2000ui EOD for 14 days at the end of the cycle, pre-pct.

 

[West31]

Using hcg during a cycle keeps your testies working for the whole duration of the cycle. This is crucial for keeping the testicular function of your testies and it will make your pct much easier.

If you consistently used hcg during your cycle, using hcg after the cycle is just to make the transition to natty a bit more seamless. You can use it a week into pct, and by a week into pct I mean, a week after the aas has totally cleared. For E/C esters that is usually anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks, depending on the dosage used. For 250mg's 2 weeks tends to be enough but for 500 or above it's going to be 3 or even 4 for 750 - 1g doses.

For normal cycle durations (ie. 8 to 16 weeks) after one full week of full pct, in my experience, you should be producing LH at 50 to 100% normal capacity. This is why I would stop using hcg at this point to avoid any further suppression of your natural gonadotropins. If it was a super suppressive cycle, nandrolones plus more then two compounds (the more compounds you use, the harder it is to recover), then imo two weeks of hcg isn't a bad idea.

You should also note that hcg on cycle doesn't work the same with all the different compounds and dosages you can take. You might need more or less of it for heavier or lighter cycles, to produce the same results. For trt test dosages it has been researched, that 250iu e48h, produced almost 100% of intratesticular test compared to baseline. So with light cycles I would use 250 and with heavier 500 e48h. But if your hcg is half bunk, then you might need a bit more.

Very helpful, thank you for your input

 

[BirdieNumNum]

Ibuprofen seemed to affect HCG usage for me.

 

[West31]

Ibuprofen seemed to affect HCG usage for me.

How did it affect it? That’s something I haven’t heard of before but I’ll stay away from the ibuprofen while I’m on then

 

[SUGARBEAR]

I ran it during cycle sometimes, but think it's a waste. I run it coming off before the drug clears.

 

[West31]

I ran it during cycle sometimes, but think it's a waste. I run it coming off before the drug clears.

Appreciate the response that’s what i typicaly do, I’ll probably continue that since iv always rebounded well

 

[BirdieNumNum]

How did it affect it? That’s something I haven’t heard of before but I’ll stay away from the ibuprofen while I’m on then

just seemed as though it wasn't as effective, issues seemed to remain when I took ibuprofen.

 

[Kstains405]

I recently found 2 viles of 5,000iu unmixed HCG,

Using hcg during a cycle keeps your testies working for the whole duration of the cycle. This is crucial for keeping the testicular function of your testies and it will make your pct much easier.

If you consistently used hcg during your cycle, using hcg after the cycle is just to make the transition to natty a bit more seamless. You can use it a week into pct, and by a week into pct I mean, a week after the aas has totally cleared. For E/C esters that is usually anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks, depending on the dosage used. For 250mg's 2 weeks tends to be enough but for 500 or above it's going to be 3 or even 4 for 750 - 1g doses.

For normal cycle durations (ie. 8 to 16 weeks) after one full week of full pct, in my experience, you should be producing LH at 50 to 100% normal capacity. This is why I would stop using hcg at this point to avoid any further suppression of your natural gonadotropins. If it was a super suppressive cycle, nandrolones plus more then two compounds (the more compounds you use, the harder it is to recover), then imo two weeks of hcg isn't a bad idea.

You should also note that hcg on cycle doesn't work the same with all the different compounds and dosages you can take. You might need more or less of it for heavier or lighter cycles, to produce the same results. For trt test dosages it has been researched, that 250iu e48h, produced almost 100% of intratesticular test compared to baseline. So with light cycles I would use 250 and with heavier 500 e48h. But if your hcg is half bunk, then you might need a bit more.

If I recently came into unmarked (no label) HCG 5,000iu unmixed from a second hand source, how does one KNOW when they are at the dosages they need while on cycle? Full nuts, blue ball feeling, a little bigger since the atrophy? Asking because I am not sure how pure and effective this product is.

 

[Jin23]

You can buy a pregnancy test and squirt 250IU on it ... That will show you if there is hcg in it.

 

[Jin23]

Otherwise, it's really easy to tell if your balls have shrunken bc hcg brings them back and makes them fuller. The difference is quite noticeable.

You can also have some estrogenic sides and one other thing is that it can heighten your libido due to the renewed production of progesterone.

Other then that, I can't say. You don't really need a lot of it. 250 IU eod is plenty if it's good hcg.

You can also do bloods for e2 and progesterone before and after.

 

[Givemeroidsorgivemedeath]

Hello Mr. Jin23,
I quote Dr. Scally from a 2013 post: "Also, hCG is better used Q3-4D."
I guess he is referring to the use of HCG during cycle, do you know if he updated his views to EOD like your protocol posted?
Thanks.

Using hcg during a cycle keeps your testies working for the whole duration of the cycle. This is crucial for keeping the testicular function of your testies and it will make your pct much easier.

If you consistently used hcg during your cycle, using hcg after the cycle is just to make the transition to natty a bit more seamless. You can use it a week into pct, and by a week into pct I mean, a week after the aas has totally cleared. For E/C esters that is usually anywhere from 2 to 4 weeks, depending on the dosage used. For 250mg's 2 weeks tends to be enough but for 500 or above it's going to be 3 or even 4 for 750 - 1g doses.

For normal cycle durations (ie. 8 to 16 weeks) after one full week of full pct, in my experience, you should be producing LH at 50 to 100% normal capacity. This is why I would stop using hcg at this point to avoid any further suppression of your natural gonadotropins. If it was a super suppressive cycle, nandrolones plus more then two compounds (the more compounds you use, the harder it is to recover), then imo two weeks of hcg isn't a bad idea.

You should also note that hcg on cycle doesn't work the same with all the different compounds and dosages you can take. You might need more or less of it for heavier or lighter cycles, to produce the same results. For trt test dosages it has been researched, that 250iu e48h, produced almost 100% of intratesticular test compared to baseline. So with light cycles I would use 250 and with heavier 500 e48h. But if your hcg is half bunk, then you might need a bit more.

 

[Jin23]

Hello Mr. Jin23,
I quote Dr. Scally from a 2013 post: "Also, hCG is better used Q3-4D."
I guess he is referring to the use of HCG during cycle, do you know if he updated his views to EOD like your protocol posted?
Thanks.

No idea. Hcg has a short half life and if you want steady levels, you should use it eod. But as far as keeping the testies alive during a cycle, e4d will also work, just use a bit more of it.