health insurance premiums suck

dzl66

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Will the next president do something about this??
This situation and cost has gotten out of hand.
I say Legalize maryjane and tax the hell out of it. This would pay for national healthcare. The cost of healthcare is dragging down the small to medium size business and keeping salaries down.

any opinions?
 
dzl66 said:
Will the next president do something about this??
This situation and cost has gotten out of hand.
I say Legalize maryjane and tax the hell out of it. This would pay for national healthcare. The cost of healthcare is dragging down the small to medium size business and keeping salaries down.

any opinions?

i think that health care will continue to rise,i dont believe that any president will really try to change it.sure all of them say it for election,but mine goes up every year.did bush not put a cap on mal practice siuts,so premiums would go down?if they legalized pot and taxed it 90% they would just explore jupiter or something.i just dont think health care is high on their priority list jmho though.

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Why should the president do anything about it? In all reality, everyone is covered. You go to a hospital and have no coverage, they have to treat you. The taxpayers then foot the bill, so youre a freeloader like all the welfare recipients. Obviously youre not covered for regular checkups and the such, but if something major happens, then youll be taken care of.

Plus, the last thing I want is a govt run socialist healthcare system like Canada and much of Europe. The quality of American healthcare is MUCH higher than the Euros and lightyears ahead of the Canadians (not an opinion). As an example, survival rates of prostate cancer in the US is 79% (living 10 years or more). In the UK and Canada that number is about 60%.

What bothers me is that people expect the govt to fix everything. The govt would suck at running a healthcare system. How do I know this? They suck at running everything else except for tax collection, of course.

People bitch and moan that health insurance is expensive (Im not saying its not), but do you think its right or fair to expect a privately owned company to do non-profit coverage for all policyowners? I dont think so. They are in business to make a profit. Is that what YOU are in business for? Even if youre an employee, you are essentially your own business. You go to work to make a profit. If you only got paid enough to drive to and from work, would you bother working anymore? Hell no! So why expect insurance companies to do the same?

I think if people would actually take an active role in their health, we could easily reduce healthcare spending by BILLIONS of dollars every single year. Costs related to obesity ran about $79 billion last year, 50% of which was picked up by taxpayers. This is totally preventable if people would put down the Ho-Ho and go for a fucking walk once in a while!! I shouldnt have to pay for your ass to get medical treatment just because youre too lazy to go for a walk or eat a salad instead of a bag of Twizzlers.

The same can be said for lung cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, and tons of other medical problems that are brought on because of their own actions! You have lung cancer? Well, that f*cking sucks. Maybe you should have stopped smoking. Cirrhosis? All those nights at the bar really paid off, huh? Oh, you want treatment for that? HA HA HA HA!! Asshole, its your own fault you have lung cancer or diabetes or whatever other disease that is preventable (in the vast majority of cases). The taxpayers shouldnt have to pay for your dumb ass.
 
I get pissed when people dont get/have something and then want the govt to fix the problem. When was the last time the govt really fixed any problem? I would love to see the govt shrink by a good 40-60%. Eliminate the dept of education, the IRS, welfare, and a whole host of other agencies. We could reduce the national debt within probably 5-15 years.
 
Bob Smith said:
Why should the president do anything about it? In all reality, everyone is covered. You go to a hospital and have no coverage, they have to treat you. The taxpayers then foot the bill, so youre a freeloader like all the welfare recipients. Obviously youre not covered for regular checkups and the such, but if something major happens, then youll be taken care of.

Plus, the last thing I want is a govt run socialist healthcare system like Canada and much of Europe. The quality of American healthcare is MUCH higher than the Euros and lightyears ahead of the Canadians (not an opinion). As an example, survival rates of prostate cancer in the US is 79% (living 10 years or more). In the UK and Canada that number is about 60%.

What bothers me is that people expect the govt to fix everything. The govt would suck at running a healthcare system. How do I know this? They suck at running everything else except for tax collection, of course.

People bitch and moan that health insurance is expensive (Im not saying its not), but do you think its right or fair to expect a privately owned company to do non-profit coverage for all policyowners? I dont think so. They are in business to make a profit. Is that what YOU are in business for? Even if youre an employee, you are essentially your own business. You go to work to make a profit. If you only got paid enough to drive to and from work, would you bother working anymore? Hell no! So why expect insurance companies to do the same?

I think if people would actually take an active role in their health, we could easily reduce healthcare spending by BILLIONS of dollars every single year. Costs related to obesity ran about $79 billion last year, 50% of which was picked up by taxpayers. This is totally preventable if people would put down the Ho-Ho and go for a fucking walk once in a while!! I shouldnt have to pay for your ass to get medical treatment just because youre too lazy to go for a walk or eat a salad instead of a bag of Twizzlers.

The same can be said for lung cancer, cirrhosis of the liver, and tons of other medical problems that are brought on because of their own actions! You have lung cancer? Well, that f*cking sucks. Maybe you should have stopped smoking. Cirrhosis? All those nights at the bar really paid off, huh? Oh, you want treatment for that? HA HA HA HA!! Asshole, its your own fault you have lung cancer or diabetes or whatever other disease that is preventable (in the vast majority of cases). The taxpayers shouldnt have to pay for your dumb ass.
Bro i don't know about cirrhosis of the liver and bags of twizzlers but my fam. runs a med. size business with about 350 employees. You would not believe how the costs have escalated over the past 5 years with forecasts for the future looking grim.
If something major happens you will be taken care of?

"in reality everyone is covered"?
So if i ring up a 100k med bill and i am uninsured it will magicly disappear?
No i will be paying monthly for it for the rest of my life. If these major med situations are taken care of why does anyone need insurance.

Seniors on social security who can not afford there monthly meds. I will call them up and say "asshole it's your own fault".

The govt. sucks at running everything else but tax collection?
Compare our govt. with the rest of the world, I happen to like most of the things we do and have done, yea we have made some mistakes and tend to force democracy down countries throats etc.
This gov. and country provides opportunity for it's citizens, things that we all take for granted.
Spend some time in a third world country were the politicians steal everything and could give a F**K about any of it's citizens or the rest of the world. Elections? voting? social security? medicare?clean hospitals and streets? don't think so.

No i do not expect the gov. to "fix" everything who does? but yes i expect the gov. to take care of things that would benefit society the most. Hell we are the richest country in the world. People may expect the gov. to "fix" everything because like you said we pay alot of taxes.

You make a good point about taking an active role in your own health but Americans just do not. Alot of money could be saved if people had a clue about diet and excercise. I've been to Euro. several times and the people are so much fitter in every age group.
You return to the states and fat people are everywhere.

I gotta go the gym,,,,
 
You would not believe how the costs have escalated over the past 5 years with forecasts for the future looking grim.

I am self employed, so I carry my own insurance and have seen the rise in ins. costs over the past 2 years. In that time, my premiums have increased by 35%. My policy is the best one that Blue Cross/Shield offers to the public, as an individual. I am aware that health insurance is a major expense for businesses, particularly smaller ones, and can see how that would erode profit unless there was a similalr increase in the cost of your products/services.


Seniors on social security who can not afford there monthly meds. I will call them up and say "asshole it's your own fault".

This brings up two issues and Ill start with the med one. Yes, it is their fault if they have lung cancer or something self-induced. My grandfather died of lung cancer and emphysema. He was a good husband and family man, but he also smoked for 50 years. The cancer was his fault and no one elses.

The second issue is the people that live on social security. IMO, if SS is your only (or major) form of income as a retiree, then they are a dumbass to the -nth degree. This goes back to taking responsibility for your own actions and your own financial condition. SS was NEVER meant to be someones only (or major) source of income. If you retire at 65 years old, then that means you had roughly 40 years to build up some cash. Theres no excuse as to why someone cant build up $100k at a very minimum, which really isnt that much money, but its more than what most retirees have in their savings and investments.


The govt. sucks at running everything else but tax collection?
Compare our govt. with the rest of the world,


I stand by what I said. Our govt does suck at efficiently and effectively providing services to the citizens. If they would simply improve efficiency, then we could lower our taxes to a more reasonable level. Now that I said it sucks, I readily admit that it is the best thing out there. But it can be so much better. Ive been to a 3rd world nation and seen how business was transacted there (and people think US politicians are corrupt!). I like the system but think it can be at least 15% more efficient, at the least. That would be a savings of hundreds of billions of dollars every year.


You make a good point about taking an active role in your own health but Americans just do not.

Thats their fault, not mine. Why should you and I pay for services that are 100% preventable? Im not saying everyone should look like a BBer or fitness model, but simply taking responsibility for their own health doesnt seem like a huge thing to ask. If you eat at McDs 5x week and end up having a high cholesterol, diabetes and a heart attack, thats your fault. I didnt contribute to your slothfulness, so why should I pay for it?
 
Bob Smith said:
You would not believe how the costs have escalated over the past 5 years with forecasts for the future looking grim.

I am self employed, so I carry my own insurance and have seen the rise in ins. costs over the past 2 years. In that time, my premiums have increased by 35%. My policy is the best one that Blue Cross/Shield offers to the public, as an individual. I am aware that health insurance is a major expense for businesses, particularly smaller ones, and can see how that would erode profit unless there was a similalr increase in the cost of your products/services.


Seniors on social security who can not afford there monthly meds. I will call them up and say "asshole it's your own fault".

This brings up two issues and Ill start with the med one. Yes, it is their fault if they have lung cancer or something self-induced. My grandfather died of lung cancer and emphysema. He was a good husband and family man, but he also smoked for 50 years. The cancer was his fault and no one elses.

The second issue is the people that live on social security. IMO, if SS is your only (or major) form of income as a retiree, then they are a dumbass to the -nth degree. This goes back to taking responsibility for your own actions and your own financial condition. SS was NEVER meant to be someones only (or major) source of income. If you retire at 65 years old, then that means you had roughly 40 years to build up some cash. Theres no excuse as to why someone cant build up $100k at a very minimum, which really isnt that much money, but its more than what most retirees have in their savings and investments.


The govt. sucks at running everything else but tax collection?
Compare our govt. with the rest of the world,


I stand by what I said. Our govt does suck at efficiently and effectively providing services to the citizens. If they would simply improve efficiency, then we could lower our taxes to a more reasonable level. Now that I said it sucks, I readily admit that it is the best thing out there. But it can be so much better. Ive been to a 3rd world nation and seen how business was transacted there (and people think US politicians are corrupt!). I like the system but think it can be at least 15% more efficient, at the least. That would be a savings of hundreds of billions of dollars every year.


You make a good point about taking an active role in your own health but Americans just do not.

Thats their fault, not mine. Why should you and I pay for services that are 100% preventable? Im not saying everyone should look like a BBer or fitness model, but simply taking responsibility for their own health doesnt seem like a huge thing to ask. If you eat at McDs 5x week and end up having a high cholesterol, diabetes and a heart attack, thats your fault. I didnt contribute to your slothfulness, so why should I pay for it?

The point i was trying to make is not really eroding profits so much(with rising health care) but the when your costs of doing business keeps rising at such a rate your employees will feel it, then the economy feels it.

You can only casts so much blame on seniors for there financial situations life is 2 complicated for that.
Hell think of how much much the world has changed in their lifetime 100k does not go nearly as far as it did 20yrs ago, Skyrocketing meds,real estate property tax,who can forecast those intangibles?
Things happen,people lose money in the market, savings get used up as people are living longer etc.
We plan and save but the unexpected can happen.

Efficiency in a government of our size and scale with a soaring population
has gotta be tough and i would have to say that govt. is more efficient now than it was say in the eighties. Hope it gets better cause it can not afford to get worse.

We are living in a democracy we all have to pay for things we don't want in order for the system to work, thats life in the big city bro.
 
Everybody IS covered. It is called the county hospital and where I am I pay property taxes out the ass so that everyone with no insurance can recieve healthcare. Is it PREMIUM healthcare, probably not the absolute best. However, if you don't have ins or money why should you recieve "the best care available"?
 
DrMCM said:
Everybody IS covered. It is called the county hospital and where I am I pay property taxes out the ass so that everyone with no insurance can recieve healthcare. Is it PREMIUM healthcare, probably not the absolute best. However, if you don't have ins or money why should you recieve "the best care available"?


one of my good friends just had to stay 5 days in the hospital because of a VERY severe systemic infection. about a week after he got out he recieved the bill for treatment, $35000, no medical insurance, not able to be covered by medicare because he earns too much at his part time job, so basically he's fucked for a few more years while he pays off the bill and the interest that will accrue on it.

if you don't fall between a certain set of very narrow criteria you aren't covered in america.
 
"about a week after he got out he recieved the bill for treatment, $35000, no medical insurance, not able to be covered by medicare because he earns too much at his part time job, so basically he's fucked for a few more years while he pays off the bill and the interest that will accrue on it."

Ratmonkey, your poor friend is fucked. I can't believe that your poor friend is the one who will have pay for the cost of the health care he received. That just isnt fair. Other people should be responsible for making sure all his needs are met. Does his part time job cover his food bill? If not let me know, I will be more than happy to work some overtime to help a poor bro out.
 
dzl66 said:
We are living in a democracy we all have to pay for things we don't want in order for the system to work, thats life in the big city bro.

Actually, paying for other people and their shit is not democracy. It's called socialism.
 
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Grizzly said:
Actually, paying for other people and their shit is not democracy. It's called socialism.
I think your right in so many words but the lines get blured here.
Whatever tag you stick on it we got to live with it, so make the best of it, cause life could be a hell of lot worse then what most of us have here in the states.
 
That is very true. Honestly, Europeans have it worse off, really. Sure, they get 8 weeks vacation, but they pay out the ass for that with 40% taxes. Socialist programs are just...I don't know what they are. It's late and the Tylenol PM is starting to ruin my brain.
 
Rod said:
Ratmonkey, your poor friend is fucked. I can't believe that your poor friend is the one who will have pay for the cost of the health care he received. That just isnt fair. Other people should be responsible for making sure all his needs are met. Does his part time job cover his food bill? If not let me know, I will be more than happy to work some overtime to help a poor bro out.

my friend does make enough to get by with food and all. he lives in a house with his band and everyone shares the food and other bills equally. but when something like this comes up you're never able to prepare for it. he's just a little while out of college and in an unsigned touring band so he can't hold down a regular job with all the benefits.

thanks alot for your concern man. it's really appreciated.
 
Ratmonkey, your poor friend is fucked. I can't believe that your poor friend is the one who will have pay for the cost of the health care he received. That just isnt fair. Other people should be responsible for making sure all his needs are met. Does his part time job cover his food bill? If not let me know, I will be more than happy to work some overtime to help a poor bro out.

LOL, I dont even need to add a comment to this. Well said.
 
BS, you need to change that avatar, it incites lust of the most debased kind. I can't even pay attention to the thread when that "thang" is displayed.
 
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