Hereditary Hemochromatosis

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I just got diagnosed with hereditary Hemochromatosis. I took the genetic test and tested positive to carrying the 2 genes. It explains the symptoms I have been having and the constant elevated iron levels. From what I gather there is no cure, just draining blood. Anyone else suffer from this and if so what has your experience been.
 
I just got diagnosed with hereditary Hemochromatosis. I took the genetic test and tested positive to carrying the 2 genes. It explains the symptoms I have been having and the constant elevated iron levels. From what I gather there is no cure, just draining blood. Anyone else suffer from this and if so what has your experience been.

I just received this recent HH study. Are you hypogonadal?

Ong SY, Gurrin LC, Dolling L, et al. Reduction of body iron in HFE-related haemochromatosis and moderate iron overload (Mi-Iron): a multicentre, participant-blinded, randomised controlled trial. The Lancet Haematology 2017;4:e607-e14. Redirecting

Background - The iron overload disorder hereditary haemochromatosis is most commonly caused by HFE p.Cys282Tyr homozygosity. In the absence of results from any randomised trials, current evidence is insufficient to determine whether individuals with hereditary haemochromatosis and moderately elevated serum ferritin, should undergo iron reduction treatment. This trial aimed to establish whether serum ferritin normalisation in this population improved symptoms and surrogate biomarkers.

Methods - This study was a multicentre, participant-blinded, randomised controlled trial done at three centres in Australia. We enrolled people who were homozygous for HFE p.Cys282Tyr, aged between 18 and 70 years, with moderately elevated serum ferritin, defined as 300–1000 μg/L, and raised transferrin saturation. Participants were randomly assigned, via a computer-generated random number, to undergo either iron reduction by erythrocytapheresis (treatment group) or sham treatment by plasmapheresis (control group). Randomisation was stratified by baseline serum ferritin (<600 μg/L or ≥600 μg/L), sex, and study site. Erythrocytapheresis and plasmapheresis were done every 3 weeks, the number of procedures and volume of red cells or plasma removed determined on the basis of each patient's haemoglobin, haematocrit, and serum ferritin concentration, as well their height and weight. In the erythrocytapheresis group, the target was to reduce serum ferritin to less than 300 μg/L. The number of procedures for the control group was based on the initial serum ferritin and prediction of decrease in serum ferritin of approximately 120 μg/L per treatment. The primary outcome was patient-reported Modified Fatigue Impact Scale (MFIS) score, measured at baseline and before unblinding. Analyses were by intention to treat, including the safety analysis. The trial is registered with ClinicalTrials.gov, number NCT01631708, and has been completed.

Findings - Between Aug 15, 2012, and June 9, 2016, 104 participants were randomly assigned to the treatment (n=54) and control (n=50) groups, of whom 94 completed the study (50 in the treatment group and 44 in the control group). Improvement in MFIS score was greater in the treatment group than in the control group (mean difference −6·3, 95% CI −11·1 to −1·4, p=0·013). There was a significant difference in the cognitive subcomponent (–3·6, −5·9 to −1·3, p=0·0030), but not in the physical (–1·90 −4·5 to 0·63, p=0·14) and psychosocial (–0·54, −1·2 to 0·11, p=0·10) subcomponents. No serious adverse events occurred in either group. One participant in the control group had a vasovagal event and 17 participants (14 in the treatment group and three in the control group) had transient symptoms assessed as related to hypovolaemia. Mild citrate reactions were more common in the treatment group (32 events [25%] in 129 procedures) compared with the control group (one event [1%] in 93 procedures).

Interpretation - To our knowledge, this study is the first to objectively assess the consequences of iron removal in individuals with hereditary haemochromatosis and moderately elevated serum ferritin. Our results suggest that serum ferritin normalisation by iron depletion could be of benefit for all individuals with hereditary haemochromatosis and elevated serum ferritin levels.
 

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Rombout-Sestrienkova E, van Kraaij MG, Koek GH. How we manage patients with hereditary haemochromatosis. British journal of haematology 2016;175:759-70. How we manage patients with hereditary haemochromatosis

A number of disorders cause iron overload: some are of genetic origin, such as hereditary haemochromatosis, while others are acquired, for instance due to repeated transfusions. This article reviews the treatment options for hereditary haemochromatosis, with special attention to the use of erythrocytapheresis. In general, therapy is based on the removal of excess body iron, for which ferritin levels are used to monitor the effectiveness of treatment. For many decades phlebotomy has been widely accepted as the standard treatment.

Recent publications suggest that erythrocytapheresis, as a more individualized treatment, can provide a good balance between effectiveness, tolerability and costs. Other treatments like oral chelators and proton pomp inhibitors, which are used in selected patients, create the possibility to further individualize treatment of hereditary haemochromatosis. In the future, hepcidin-targeted therapy could provide a more fundamental approach to treatment.
 

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I just received this recent HH study. Are you hypogonadal?

Ong SY, Gurrin LC, Dolling L, et al. Reduction of body iron in HFE-related haemochromatosis and moderate iron overload (Mi-Iron): a multicentre, participant-blinded, randomised controlled trial. The Lancet Haematology 2017;4:e607-e14. Redirecting

Background - The iron overload disorder hereditary haemochromatosis is most commonly caused by HFE p.Cys282Tyr homozygosity. In the absence of results from any randomised trials, current evidence is insufficient to determine whether individuals with hereditary haemochromatosis and moderately elevated serum ferritin, should undergo iron reduction treatment. This trial aimed to establish whether serum ferritin normalisation in this population improved symptoms and surrogate biomarkers.

Methods - This study was a multicentre, participant-blinded, randomised controlled trial done at three centres in Australia. We enrolled people who were homozygous for HFE p.Cys282Tyr, aged between 18 and 70 years, with moderately elevated serum ferritin, defined as 300–1000 μg/L, and raised transferrin saturation. Participants were randomly assigned, via a computer-generated random number, to undergo either iron reduction by erythrocytapheresis (treatment group) or sham treatment by plasmapheresis (control group). Randomisation was stratified by baseline serum ferritin (<600 μg/L or ≥600 μg/L), sex, and study site. Erythrocytapheresis and plasmapheresis were done every 3 weeks, the number of procedures and volume of red cells or plasma removed determined on the basis of each patient's haemoglobin, haematocrit, and serum ferritin concentration, as well their height and weight. In the erythrocytapheresis group, the target was to reduce serum ferritin to less than 300 μg/L. The number of procedures for the control group was based on the initial serum ferritin and prediction of decrease in serum ferritin of approximately 120 μg/L per treatment. The primary outcome was patient-reported Modified Fatigue Impact Scale (MFIS) score, measured at baseline and before unblinding. Analyses were by intention to treat, including the safety analysis. The trial is registered with ClinicalTrials.gov, number NCT01631708, and has been completed.

Findings - Between Aug 15, 2012, and June 9, 2016, 104 participants were randomly assigned to the treatment (n=54) and control (n=50) groups, of whom 94 completed the study (50 in the treatment group and 44 in the control group). Improvement in MFIS score was greater in the treatment group than in the control group (mean difference −6·3, 95% CI −11·1 to −1·4, p=0·013). There was a significant difference in the cognitive subcomponent (–3·6, −5·9 to −1·3, p=0·0030), but not in the physical (–1·90 −4·5 to 0·63, p=0·14) and psychosocial (–0·54, −1·2 to 0·11, p=0·10) subcomponents. No serious adverse events occurred in either group. One participant in the control group had a vasovagal event and 17 participants (14 in the treatment group and three in the control group) had transient symptoms assessed as related to hypovolaemia. Mild citrate reactions were more common in the treatment group (32 events [25%] in 129 procedures) compared with the control group (one event [1%] in 93 procedures).

Interpretation - To our knowledge, this study is the first to objectively assess the consequences of iron removal in individuals with hereditary haemochromatosis and moderately elevated serum ferritin. Our results suggest that serum ferritin normalisation by iron depletion could be of benefit for all individuals with hereditary haemochromatosis and elevated serum ferritin levels.
Thank you very much Dr. Scalley. I am hypogonadal and also have hypothyroidism. I was diagnosed through my GP and have an appointment with a hemotologist next week. I'm really excited to see if treatment gives me better well being. It's amazing what you get use to and how it becomes the new normal.

Thank you for taking the time to post those studies. I read the general overviews but will try reading the whole studies.

Thanks again.
 
Thank you very much Dr. Scalley. I am hypogonadal and also have hypothyroidism. I was diagnosed through my GP and have an appointment with a hemotologist next week. I'm really excited to see if treatment gives me better well being. It's amazing what you get use to and how it becomes the new normal.

Thank you for taking the time to post those studies. I read the general overviews but will try reading the whole studies.

Thanks again.

IMO, it is important to be cognizant of the Hepcidin/E2 relationship in TRT for HH. I have posted a number of studies in this area. T/E2 are very much connected in TRT. In summary, hepcidin inhibition by E2 is to increase iron uptake.
 
IMO, it is important to be cognizant of the Hepcidin/E2 relationship in TRT for HH. I have posted a number of studies in this area. T/E2 are very much connected in TRT. In summary, hepcidin inhibition by E2 is to increase iron uptake.

I'm sorry to be a nuicanse, I'm having a hard time grasping what you are saying. I tried googling the relationship but am getting more confused. Does higher E2 cause you to absorb more iron? Therefore better to keep my E2 low to increase hepcidin? Or am I backwards in interpreting this?
 
I'm sorry to be a nuicanse, I'm having a hard time grasping what you are saying. I tried googling the relationship but am getting more confused. Does higher E2 cause you to absorb more iron? Therefore better to keep my E2 low to increase hepcidin? Or am I backwards in interpreting this?

You are correct. In your case, E2 control might be of a larger concern.
 
I just got diagnosed with hereditary Hemochromatosis. I took the genetic test and tested positive to carrying the 2 genes. It explains the symptoms I have been having and the constant elevated iron levels. From what I gather there is no cure, just draining blood. Anyone else suffer from this and if so what has your experience been.

Runs in my family - supposedly mainly Nordic stock that gets this. Skipped me thankfully, maybe I just have one of them. I have really high RBC anyway.

It's genetic - donating blood is on the menu for you for life.
 
Yup, every time I have gone I have been denied due to high iron levels. My doctor thought my trt was the cause, even though I have always been in range. I ended up doing at home phlebotomy and always felt better afterwards. Finally it got so high he performed the genetic test on me and tested my ferritin. I don't mind donating blood if it makes me feel better.

It amazes how advanced science and medicine is to discover all of these things. It's also crazy how delicate the balance of life is.
 
Yup, every time I have gone I have been denied due to high iron levels. My doctor thought my trt was the cause, even though I have always been in range. I ended up doing at home phlebotomy and always felt better afterwards. Finally it got so high he performed the genetic test on me and tested my ferritin. I don't mind donating blood if it makes me feel better.

It amazes how advanced science and medicine is to discover all of these things. It's also crazy how delicate the balance of life is.

As part of hypogonadism workup -
IRON PANEL - Ferritin, Serum Iron, TIBC, % Iron Saturation.

This should have been done before starting TRT.
 
Hepcidin R&D ...

Prentice AM. Clinical Implications of New Insights into Hepcidin-Mediated Regulation of Iron Absorption and Metabolism. Annals of nutrition & metabolism 2017;71 Suppl 3:40-8.
https://www.karger.com/Article/FullText/480743

The fact that humans must balance their need for iron against its potential for causing harm has been known for several centuries, but the molecular mechanisms by which we achieve this feat have only been revealed in the last 2 decades. Chief amongst these is the discovery of the master-regulatory liver-derived hormone hepcidin.

By switching off ferroportin in enterocytes and macrophages, hepcidin exerts fine control over both iron absorption and its distribution among tissues. Hepcidin expression is downregulated by low iron status and active erythropoiesis and upregulated by iron overload and infection and/or inflammation. The latter mechanism explains the etiology of the anemia of chronic infection.

Pharmaceutical companies are actively developing hepcidin agonists and antagonists to combat iron overload and anemia, respectively. In a global health context the discovery of hepcidin shines a new light on the world's most prevalent micronutrient problem; iron deficiency and its consequent anemia. It is now apparent that humans are not poorly designed to absorb dietary iron, but rather are exerting a tonic downregulation of iron absorption to protect themselves against infection. These new insights suggest that interventions to reduce infections and inflammation will be at least as effective as dietary interventions and that the latter will not succeed without the former.
 
I just had my appointment with the Hematologist. Basically I have to get a pint taken every week for the next 5 weeks. Then recheck.

My Ferritin level was just over 700ng. And wants to get that down around 50ng. He is not overly concerned with it causing any organ damage at this point.

@Michael Scally MD does the use of AAS increase ferritin?
 
I just had my appointment with the Hematologist. Basically I have to get a pint taken every week for the next 5 weeks. Then recheck.

My Ferritin level was just over 700ng. And wants to get that down around 50ng. He is not overly concerned with it causing any organ damage at this point.

@Michael Scally MD does the use of AAS increase ferritin?

Testosterone Induced Polycythemia/Erythrocytosis (Elevated Hematocrit/Hemoglobin)
 
Testosterone Induced Polycythemia/Erythrocytosis (Elevated Hematocrit/Hemoglobin)

Thank you sir!
 
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