HGH and Heart Rate During Cardio

[malfeasance]

So I caught some sort of upper respiratory virus and said, screw it, I am not injecting my 4.2 iu daily at bedtime. I just do not feel like it. Stopped for a week while I recovered.

Also did not do cardio for a week.

My usual cardio is on one of those escalator stair stepper type things, so most variables are controlled. I set a level and a time, and the machine just runs. I can either keep up or get dumped on the floor.

My heart rate at the level I as doing things previously was up in the high 130s.

I did 30 minutes yesterday and I was at 129.

Today, I bumped it up five minutes, which is more than I usually did previously, and my heart rate toward the end was only in 123-125 range.

I have not started hgh back yet.

Now, I have observed before that hgh increased my resting heart rate.

This is the first I have noticed that it apparently also increases my heart rate while exercising.

Also taking metoprolol - same dose all the way through.

I am not contending anything. I am posting an observation that I thought others here would find interesting (I did). Anecdotally, it appears that hgh increases my heart rate both at rest and during exercise.

 

[Ateam2023]

So I caught some sort of upper respiratory virus and said, screw it, I am not injecting my 4.2 iu daily at bedtime. I just do not feel like it. Stopped for a week while I recovered.

Also did not do cardio for a week.

My usual cardio is on one of those escalator stair stepper type things, so most variables are controlled. I set a level and a time, and the machine just runs. I can either keep up or get dumped on the floor.

My heart rate at the level I as doing things previously was up in the high 130s.

I did 30 minutes yesterday and I was at 129.

Today, I bumped it up five minutes, which is more than I usually did previously, and my heart rate toward the end was only in 123-125 range.

I have not started hgh back yet.

Now, I have observed before that hgh increased my resting heart rate.

This is the first I have noticed that it apparently also increases my heart rate while exercising.

Also taking metoprolol - same dose all the way through.

I am not contending anything. I am posting an observation that I thought others here would find interesting (I did). Anecdotally, it appears that hgh increases my heart rate both at rest and during exercise.

i'm curious what is your rhr while on hgh?

 

[RekTest]

Interesting.. i inject my hgh in the morning and my rhr is 95-100, I used to get 135-140 heart rate doing cardio but I have been able to get it down to around 115s to 120, same cardio.

Now Im curious if without the HGH what my heart rate would be.
I take 14iu

 

[Benf15harp]

What time of day are you doing cardio?

 

[malfeasance]

What time of day are you doing cardio?

Early a.m., before all the tennis players get up and hit the gym.

 

[malfeasance]

i'm curious what is your rhr while on hgh?

Without = low 70s
With can be mid 80s or even much higher.
Confounding factors, stress, time of day, gear use, etc, but significantly higher.

 

[Bumpygooch]

Yes, 80, +/-3 on anything more than 4iu/day became the norm. 2.5mg/day nebivolol kicked it back under 70. I know I don’t want to have to x because I do y, but, I guess that’s the game.

 

[malfeasance]

And my elbow hurts a lot less . . . could be the week of rest, though, who knows?

 

[malfeasance]

My heart rate at the level I as doing things previously was up in the high 130s.

I did 30 minutes yesterday and I was at 129.

Today, I bumped it up five minutes, which is more than I usually did previously, and my heart rate toward the end was only in 123-125 range.

UPDATE: Thanksgiving cardio

So I increased the duration by another 10 minutes yesterday, and I could not get my heart rate up to 120. Peak heart rate was 118.

This is interesting. As I go day after day with no hgh injection, my heart rate during cardio keeps driving lower.

Resting heart rate has dropped from low 70s to 70 this morning.

 

[malfeasance]

This brings up a lot of questions.

Is cardio that drives the heart rate to the high 130s actually giving the heart more of a workout as compared to the exact same level of cardio (intensity) with a longer duration that cannot even get the heart rate over 120 due to no longer injecting hgh?

What effects does hgh have on cardiovascular health?

 

[rexy]

I'm finding it a real PITA to manage RHR on a Test/Tren/Var cycle now I've introduced GH for the first time, at 5IU. My HR spikes on Tren/Var anyway, but 10mg Nebivolol keeps it 65ish even up to moderate/high dose. HGH has pushed it straight back to 80+ even after I've reduced doses of the anabolics.

Upped the nebivolol to 12.5 which seems to be reigning it in.

I'm using the HGH for fat loss effects atm - hence the tren and var combo to synergise. But it makes me wonder whether I'll bother running HGH for bulk cycles where I push anabolics high because the HR effects are too much. It'd probably be best to just run the anabolics high and exclude the HGH.

Either that or i'd have to change the primary compounds to ones that I know don't stimulate my HR like EQ, Mast, Primo, but would have to question whether that + HGH is better than just decent test/tren/nand doses etc

or take something like 15mg Nebivolol per day....

 

[roofer22]

Interesting. A few weeks back I ran out of gh for a week or so. I didn't see a difference on my resting rhr. My chest sensor is broke so I wasn't checking it during cardio.I'm pretty anal about bp and rhr so I would have noticed. So weird how everyone gets effected differently.

 

[Ateam2023]

This brings up a lot of questions.

Is cardio that drives the heart rate to the high 130s actually giving the heart more of a workout as compared to the exact same level of cardio (intensity) with a longer duration that cannot even get the heart rate over 120 due to no longer injecting hgh?

What effects does hgh have on cardiovascular health?

i always thought the point of cardio was to raise the heart rate to over 125+ for cv health as well as fat loss? From my understanding hgh enhances myocardial growth, which can contribute to a hyperkinetic cardiovascular state during excercise, that results in a higher heart rate compared to excercise without hgh? As im sure your aware of , but i was just kicking around ideas as this has me really "studying " this particular outcome as i pay more attention to rhr as i age into my mid 50's, This has me reallly intrigued

 

[Ateam2023]

there are some interesting studies on hgh and "the effects of hgh on excercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in patients with chronic heart failure" Pub Med Fazio S, Palmieri EA, Affuso F, Cittadini A, Castellano G, Russo T, Ruvolo A, Napoli R, Saccà L. Effects of growth hormone on exercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in patients with chronic heart failure. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2007 Nov;92(11):4218-23. doi: 10.1210/jc.2007-1189. Epub 2007 Aug 14. PMID: 17698902.

 

[Ateam2023]

I'm not very good at "linking" studies sorry

 

[rexy]

I'm not very good at "linking" studies sorry

Here's the full text:

 

[malfeasance]

Effects of growth hormone on exercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in patients with chronic heart failure - PubMed

Given the predictive value of physical exercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in CHF progression, these data provide additional insights into the mechanisms by which GH may potentially benefit CHF patients.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

the effects of hgh on excercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in patients with chronic heart failure

 

[Benf15harp]

Early a.m., before all the tennis players get up and hit the gym.

Shh! I’m really a ballerina. Lol

 

[malfeasance]

there are some interesting studies on hgh and "the effects of hgh on excercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in patients with chronic heart failure" Pub Med Fazio S, Palmieri EA, Affuso F, Cittadini A, Castellano G, Russo T, Ruvolo A, Napoli R, Saccà L. Effects of growth hormone on exercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in patients with chronic heart failure. J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2007 Nov;92(11):4218-23. doi: 10.1210/jc.2007-1189. Epub 2007 Aug 14. PMID: 17698902.

Here's the full text:

Effects of growth hormone on exercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in patients with chronic heart failure - PubMed

Given the predictive value of physical exercise capacity and cardiopulmonary performance in CHF progression, these data provide additional insights into the mechanisms by which GH may potentially benefit CHF patients.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Nine of the patients in placebo arm were in treatment with ACE inhibitors, whereas seven of them where on B-blockers; in the GH group instead, eight patient were on ACE inhibitors and nine on  B-blocker treatment. All patients completed the 3-month course of treatment; those in the GH group did not report side effects. There was no change in body weight, body composition, or hemoglobin concentration after GH or placebo. The serum IGF-I level significantly increased (near doubled) in all patients treated withGHand remained stable in the placebo group. The clinical status improved after GH, as indicated by the significantly decreased NYHA functional class, whereas it remained stable in the placebo group. GH did not affect the resting heart rate; the mean arterial pressure was significantly lower due to a reduction in both systolic and diastolic arterial pressure. There was no change in heart rate or in arterial blood pressure after placebo.

 

[malfeasance]

The LV mass index and relative wall thickness significantly increased after GH because of LV wall thickening without a change in LV dimension (Table 3). GH also improved the indices of systolic and diastolic function, as demonstrated by the significant increase in LV ejection fraction and early to late peak velocities ratio of transmitral inflow and the significant reduction in end-systolic wall stress and heart rate-corrected isovolumic relaxation time.