HGH "high" dosing

[Sampei]

If we’re looking at this from a standpoint of legitimate medical necessity/use, it’s still a lot of AAS past the point of calling it therapeutic or being medically advisable. Ok, it might not be the most detrimental for our health, but it’s not something that improves it. If you smoke 2 cigarettes a day vs 10 it’s still categorized as addictive behavior— just different degrees right? I am not trying to be judgmental, I think it’s totally ok to do, and obviously it’s not like some death-wish cycle but is that really the average practice nowadays?

Don't know man, lately I have changed my stance a little bit on roids. So my new philosophy is: find a dosage and a mix of substances that don't impact your bloods for the longest time and just run those.

I have to tell you, on 1G of test and 1G of EQ my bloods came back perfect compared to using other substances at a lower dosage.

So there is that... Is it better to use less? Sure but we don't have all the same genetic and we all tolerate sides in a different way.

 

[malfeasance]

Don't know man, lately I have changed my stance a little bit on roids. So my new philosophy is: find a dosage and a mix of substances that don't impact your bloods for the longest time and just run those.

I have to tell you, on 1G of test and 1G of EQ my bloods came back perfect compared to using other substances at a lower dosage.

So there is that... Is it better to use less? Sure but we don't have all the same genetic and we all tolerate sides in a different way.

2G did not raise your hematocrit?

 

[Sampei]

2G did not raise your hematocrit?

45 hematocrit on my last blood test max I have seen with NPP in the mix 51 and it went back to 48 a week later

 

[Jaxino]

If you believe that 1.2 grams constitutes a high dose, then you are being disingenuous.

I recognize that many contributors to this forum are not to be taken seriously, but at least strive for honesty.

Even Justin Harris has repeatedly stated that building a competitive physique typically requires a total of 2 to 3 grams of AAS.

 

[Eddie.]

Before i start the gear when i was doing just research i was under the impression that 1,2gr was a lot. Now judging by my few cycles and what 1gr is doing effect and side effect wise I'd say it's definitely average if not low.

If someone is super responsive at 700 then by all means there's no point going at 1,5gr but the so called minimum effective dose it's a true term and it differs from person to person. I wish i responded better to gear and 700mg gave me good results, I'd avoid all the excess pinning, oil volume etc but it's not happening.

 

[Slowww]

Don't know man, lately I have changed my stance a little bit on roids. So my new philosophy is: find a dosage and a mix of substances that don't impact your bloods for the longest time and just run those.

I have to tell you, on 1G of test and 1G of EQ my bloods came back perfect compared to using other substances at a lower dosage.

So there is that... Is it better to use less? Sure but we don't have all the same genetic and we all tolerate sides in a different way.

That’s a totally reasonable take I think, I am the same way as it regards to blood work and compound selection. I don’t see anything bad at all from blood profile, lipids, liver anything from those even at the highest amounts, and what really does do something is just a small amount of tren lol.

If you believe that 1.2 grams constitutes a high dose, then you are being disingenuous.

I recognize that many contributors to this forum are not to be taken seriously, but at least strive for honesty.

Even Justin Harris has repeatedly stated that building a competitive physique typically requires a total of 2 to 3 grams of AAS.

How is having an opinion that is not the same as yours disingenuous? In which way is that dishonest? I pretty openly log my doses online and have been for years. From an open body building perspective, sure that isn’t a lot of gear. But I’m not an open body builder so to me it’s a decent amount. Again I’m not saying I won’t do more, or making any value judgements but to a lot of non-competitors, it is still a point that they would consider high. I’m not sure where the dishonesty in these statements is

 

[Sampei]

That’s a totally reasonable take I think, I am the same way as it regards to blood work and compound selection. I don’t see anything bad at all from blood profile, lipids, liver anything from those even at the highest amounts, and what really does do something is just a small amount of tren lol.




How is having an opinion that is not the same as yours disingenuous? In which way is that dishonest? I pretty openly log my doses online and have been for years. From an open body building perspective, sure that isn’t a lot of gear. But I’m not an open body builder so to me it’s a decent amount. Again I’m not saying I won’t do more, or making any value judgements but to a lot of non-competitors, it is still a point that they would consider high. I’m not sure where the dishonesty in these statements is

Even so I love tren (who doesn't?) I have not used it for years and after introducing it again at just 250mg a week I think I'll probably drop it and don't use it again in the future.

I was feeling fantastic during this cycle, everything was going great and I just wanted to be that retard that goes: why not just add a sprinkle of Tren.

Well I'm tired all the time now, sleep is shit during the night and I'm trying to sleep most of the day because I don't fucking know why.

I'm gonna pull blood in a week or two just to see how much it fucked up my blood but I have accepted many of my flaws and genetic shortcoming, I have decided that I wanna first of all feel good during my blasts not only trying to look good.

Better do 24weeks of test + EQ and 8/10 weeks of NPP, steady slow gains than add tren at some point and feel like they mopped the floor with me just for maybe look a bit better.

That's my take anyway at the moment.

I do check my health constantly, complete blood every two months, small blood check every few weeks, one heart eco a year, one full abdomen eco a year etc. BP always in range, BG management always on point, kidneys always kept in check.

Maybe I'll fuck up myself anyway but at least I'm trying to balance the whole thing.

 

[malfeasance]

If you believe that 1.2 grams constitutes a high dose, then you are being disingenuous.

I recognize that many contributors to this forum are not to be taken seriously, but at least strive for honesty.

Even Justin Harris has repeatedly stated that building a competitive physique typically requires a total of 2 to 3 grams of AAS.

I am not being disingenuous at all.

Period.

I have taken more than 1.2 personally.

That does not mean that I do not think it is a high dose. It is.

Justin Harris is describing something that simply does not apply to 99% of the forum users here, who are not trying to build a competitive professional bodybuilding physique. Only one forum user to my knowledge has become an IFBB professional (and his usage has been chronicled here for years and is very reasonable and sane), and only three are even currently trying to become pros. A few others compete but are nowhere near the level needed to compete for earning a pro card. Everybody else here is just injecting steroids and lifting weights recreationally.

And, yeah, 1.2 is a lot. I know. I have done it.

It has health effects on down the road, eventually. If you think my contributions here are not to be taken seriously, then, well, fine, I will not try to convince you otherwise, but I do not post anything dishonestly, to address your "strive for honesty" post.

Maybe you are going to nationals in 2025 to make an attempt at a pro card to be an IFBB pro in open. I don't know. But your audience here is not really in that category.

 

[dick_starbuck]

I am not being disingenuous at all.

Period.

I have taken more than 1.2 personally.

That does not mean that I do not think it is a high dose. It is.

Justin Harris is describing something that simply does not apply to 99% of the forum users here, who are not trying to build a competitive professional bodybuilding physique. Only one forum user to my knowledge has become an IFBB professional (and his usage has been chronicled here for years and is very reasonable and sane), and only three are even currently trying to become pros. A few others compete but are nowhere near the level needed to compete for earning a pro card. Everybody else here is just injecting steroids and lifting weights recreationally.

And, yeah, 1.2 is a lot. I know. I have done it.

It has health effects on down the road, eventually. If you think my contributions here are not to be taken seriously, then, well, fine, I will not try to convince you otherwise, but I do not post anything dishonestly, to address your "strive for honesty" post.

Maybe you are going to nationals in 2025 to make an attempt at a pro card to be an IFBB pro in open. I don't know. But your audience here is not really in that category.

I want to disagree with you out of personal bias. I want to believe more of us on the forum are competitors, but its likely true most just take steroids and barely look like it.

Most of the guys I meet in the wild who are on gear dont look like it at all. They just dont take the lifestyle seriously enough to justify the dosages they use tbh.

 

[malfeasance]

I want to disagree with you out of personal bias. I want to believe more of us on the forum are competitors, but its likely true most just take steroids and barely look like it.

Most of the guys I meet in the wild who are on gear dont look like it at all. They just dont take the lifestyle seriously enough to justify the dosages they use tbh.

Maybe a dozen competitors on the board? I am not a competitor anymore. Out of that dozen, how many are seriously pursuing a pro card or even getting close to one? Those folks may need to heed Justin Harris, of course, but that still does not mean 1.2 is not a high dose.

I have said it so much it could be my signature line. The gyms are full of puffy steroid using middle aged men.

I do not mean to insult anybody - it's their body. Do what they want.

I doubt many forum members have ever hit the level of leanness that you display in your physique in your avatar. Hell, some folks step on stage not that lean, lol.

And these things have consequences.

atherosclerosis is pretty much irreversible.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Maybe a dozen competitors on the board? I am not a competitor anymore. Out of that dozen, how many are seriously pursuing a pro card or even getting close to one? Those folks may need to heed Justin Harris, of course, but that still does not mean 1.2 is not a high dose.

I have said it so much it could be my signature line. The gyms are full of puffy steroid using middle aged men.

I do not mean to insult anybody - it's their body. Do what they want.

I doubt many forum members have ever hit the level of leanness that you display in your physique in your avatar. Hell, some folks step on stage not that lean, lol.

And these things have consequences.

atherosclerosis is pretty much irreversible.

Tbh im close to peak offseason in my avatar lol. I do forget sometimes that most people aren't even close go that level.

 

[malfeasance]

Tbh im close to peak offseason in my avatar lol. I do forget sometimes that most people aren't even close go that level.

LOL

I did not stay that lean in the off season.

How long does your prep take?

 

[dick_starbuck]

LOL

I did not stay that lean in the off season.

How long does your prep take?

It depends. I usually do very long preps, slowly lowering food over time. My last contest season was 2023 and I did a 22 week prep but also did multiple shows. I was also a string bean by the end of it.

2024 I broke my foot 10 weeks out, but it was intended to be a short 16 week prep because I was fairly lean.

This year... im planning on starting a 16 week prep this week but securing time off work to actually compete is difficult this year. Im going to start anyway just in case it works out.

 

[readalot]

Tbh im close to peak offseason in my avatar lol. I do forget sometimes that most people aren't even close go that level.

Awesome! Congrats. You puttin' in that work!

 

[Slowww]

It depends. I usually do very long preps, slowly lowering food over time. My last contest season was 2023 and I did a 22 week prep but also did multiple shows. I was also a string bean by the end of it.

2024 I broke my foot 10 weeks out, but it was intended to be a short 16 week prep because I was fairly lean.

This year... im planning on starting a 16 week prep this week but securing time off work to actually compete is difficult this year. Im going to start anyway just in case it works out.

Good luck on the prep bro! Do you have a log to follow for updates ?

 

[dick_starbuck]

Good luck on the prep bro! Do you have a log to follow for updates ?

I dont! But I've been considering doing one here or SST.

 

[dick_starbuck]

Awesome! Congrats. You puttin' in that work!

Thank you, sir.

 

[29trt]

Yeah staying lean is great in the off, but dammit those arms are not gonna grow if you don't eat more....same for legs for folks who are deficient there

 

[Eddie.]

Yeah staying lean is great in the off, but dammit those arms are not gonna grow if you don't eat more....same for legs for folks who are deficient there

Unless you're a genetic freak it's shown that it's more efficient to do classic bulk-cut and even reaching 18-20% fat in earlier years when chasing muscle mass. Lean bulk when you have no substancial amount of muscle will take forever.

People went from eat as much as you can and be a michelin man to oh, your abs are watery i think you might need a minicut in a just a blink of an eye.

I know personally 2 guys, one male and one female who were "afraid" of getting fat in the off season and couldn't add muscle mass because they were trying to stay considerably lean, when they went full bore, raising clean food and pushing carbs what they managed to keep after they both dieted down is crazy.

OFC if you're a 260lb guy on stage it won't be healthy to go 320 in off season but for guys at 210-235 at 6-8%bf doing a push phase and gain a little fat would probably be better

 

[FuriousAngus]

Unless you're a genetic freak it's shown that it's more efficient to do classic bulk-cut and even reaching 18-20% fat in earlier years when chasing muscle mass. Lean bulk when you have no substancial amount of muscle will take forever.

People went from eat as much as you can and be a michelin man to oh, your abs are watery i think you might need a minicut in a just a blink of an eye.

I know personally 2 guys, one male and one female who where "afraid" of getting fat in the off season and couldn't add muscle mass because they were trying to stay considerably lean, when they went full bore, raising clean food and pushing carbs what they managed to keep after they both dieted down is crazy.

OFC if you're a 260lb guy on stage it won't be healthy to go 320 in off season but for guys at 210-235 at 6-8%bf doing a push phase and gain a little fat would probably be better

Couldn't have said it better, Eddie. I can relate to this on a personal level.

People/we tend to go from one extreme to the other, especially now with everyone trying to keep a certain image on IG and the surge of these "science based" 30kg guys on social media.