HGH question

[Zc7219]

30M 6’3 230lb 15%

Just received latest bloodwork and I’ve noticed a trend over the last 3 years. My IGF has consistently been 60-73 and Z score a -2. To me the results look like I’m bottom of the barrel when it comes to GH production.


My question is if I was to start using 3-4 IU would it be that much of a game changer for me with my levels being so low?

Every post I read about 2-3 IU people say it’s mainly just faster hair/nail growth. Will I notice anything else other than that?

Thanks guys

 

[Ghoul]

Since exogenous GH stops natural production, for the average, z score 0, 2iu likely puts them modestly higher than where they started, with moderate effects.

It would put your GH far higher than where it likely currently is. I’d expect a much more significant benefit than average (but GH is still slow, so be patient, a few months may be needed to see real quality of life improvements).

On the other hand, if IGF doesn’t rise, you have a some other issue impairing GH to IGF-1 conversion. Liver issues, inflammation, e2 too low etc. Have you checked those markers.?

 

[Zc7219]

Since exogenous GH stops natural production, for the average, z score 0, 2iu likely puts them modestly higher than where they started, with moderate effects.

It would put your GH far higher than where it currently is. I’d expect a much more significant benefit than average (but GH is still slow, so be patient, a few months may be needed to see real quality of life improvements).

Are there any “sides” associated with low HGH production?

With low test it was very obvious. But I can’t say I’ve noticed anything from low igf. but I’m also not sure what to look for.

 

[Ghoul]

Are there any “sides” associated with low HGH production?

With low test it was very obvious. But I can’t say I’ve noticed anything from low igf. but I’m also not sure what to look for.

Central adiposity is the most visible sign. A “gut” even when not very overweight.

 

[explodingHeart]

Central adiposity is the most visible sign. A “gut” even when not very overweight.

What about the inverse? My shoe size is 2 sizes higher than predicted for my height. Before ever taking GH. Ankle size is 10 inch circumference while lean.

 

[sim]

30M 6’3 230lb 15%

Just received latest bloodwork and I’ve noticed a trend over the last 3 years. My IGF has consistently been 60-73 and Z score a -2. To me the results look like I’m bottom of the barrel when it comes to GH production.


My question is if I was to start using 3-4 IU would it be that much of a game changer for me with my levels being so low?

Every post I read about 2-3 IU people say it’s mainly just faster hair/nail growth. Will I notice anything else other than that?

Thanks guys

My IGF was lower than yours and I've been running 2IUs and it basically tripled mine after several months of use. I do get sides like water retention and CTS but it isn't too bad. Muscle fullness is improved but whether it has any improvement on hypertrophy I can't say. Also notice some moderate leaning out without changing cals or increasing cardio.

I recently switched to 5IUs 3x/week on the days I lift. Taken pre bed and it has a dramatic improvement on sleep. Wake up a bit groggy but I could easily sleep 8-10 hours. Also water retention and CTS seem to have subsided so I'll stick with this to see how things pan out over the next few months.

 

[rtrnofbesoge]

For perspective my IGF 1 levels were at 434 from 5iu, can't remember my GH level at the time but I'm sure it was high also

 

[Ghoul]

For perspective my IGF 1 levels were at 434 from 5iu, can't remember my GH level at the time but I'm sure it was high also

What age?

 

[rtrnofbesoge]

39

 

[Beachfunk444]

30M 6’3 230lb 15%

Just received latest bloodwork and I’ve noticed a trend over the last 3 years. My IGF has consistently been 60-73 and Z score a -2. To me the results look like I’m bottom of the barrel when it comes to GH production.


My question is if I was to start using 3-4 IU would it be that much of a game changer for me with my levels being so low?

Every post I read about 2-3 IU people say it’s mainly just faster hair/nail growth. Will I notice anything else other than that?

Thanks guys

You need to use enough test to get your estradiol high enough to be able to maximize the benefits of GH in increasing your IGF-1 production in the liver. Without enough estradiol + GH, you'll have a hard time getting your IGF where you need it to be - somewhere around 300.