HGH Red Welts

[tmerrill]

Thanks for all the feedback - appreciate it.

 

[Dr JIM]

I've done IM (unexpired bac water) with hygetropin. Instead of a welt on the surface, my muscle was sore at injection site.....similar to PIP with test. Doesn't help the problem.

For what it’s worth, bc pinning a potential allergen IM will tend to disguise a dermatological reaction much like an IV injection would both are the antithesis of standard medical practice.

 

[Oldman.]

I also came to the conclusion the red welts were endotoxins so I ran a endotoxin test with an endosafe unit and it came back at 10 times the allowable fda levels. It was godtropin.

When I presented this information to the seller he stopped responding. Radio silent.

I concluded that even with a 478 igf1 blood test it was simply not worth the immune response and iratstion. So I switched to another ggh.

In simple terms the cheap ggh is dirty. Some people’s bodies don’t respond with red welts but some do. There is a reason it cost more to produce pharma rhgh than they sell the China stuff for. If it’s to good to be true it probably is.

 

[janoshik]

I also came to the conclusion the red welts were endotoxins so I ran a endotoxin test with an endosafe unit and it came back at 10 times the allowable fda levels. It was godtropin.

When I presented this information to the seller he stopped responding. Radio silent.

I concluded that even with a 478 igf1 blood test it was simply not worth the immune response and iratstion. So I switched to another ggh.

In simple terms the cheap ggh is dirty. Some people’s bodies don’t respond with red welts but some do. There is a reason it cost more to produce pharma rhgh than they sell the China stuff for. If it’s to good to be true it probably is.

Please, share the results.

I've went through your post history and this is the first time you are mentioning something like that.

 

[Dr JIM]

I also came to the conclusion the red welts were endotoxins so I ran a endotoxin test with an endosafe unit and it came back at 10 times the allowable fda levels. It was godtropin.

When I presented this information to the seller he stopped responding. Radio silent.

I concluded that even with a 478 igf1 blood test it was simply not worth the immune response and iratstion. So I switched to another ggh.

In simple terms the cheap ggh is dirty. Some people’s bodies don’t respond with red welts but some do. There is a reason it cost more to produce pharma rhgh than they sell the China stuff for. If it’s to good to be true it probably is.

Yes quality does come at a price,
why would anyone believe otherwise, bc a lower quality product “is all they can afford”.

 

[mands]

I also came to the conclusion the red welts were endotoxins so I ran a endotoxin test with an endosafe unit and it came back at 10 times the allowable fda levels. It was godtropin.

When I presented this information to the seller he stopped responding. Radio silent.

I concluded that even with a 478 igf1 blood test it was simply not worth the immune response and iratstion. So I switched to another ggh.

In simple terms the cheap ggh is dirty. Some people’s bodies don’t respond with red welts but some do. There is a reason it cost more to produce pharma rhgh than they sell the China stuff for. If it’s to good to be true it probably is.

Thanks for the feedback. Anyway you could post up the results of your endotoxin test for the board? I'm sure a certificate of analysis was produced.

Thanks again.

mands

 

[Oldman.]

I don’t have the receipt. It was 3 or 4 months ago and the results are printed on a receipt similar to what you get in a store. That’s how the endosafe displays results. I now wish I had saved it for the comunity though. But it’s just a small piece of paper with like 4 printed lines. Nothing official. I still have some of that ggh I never used so I will see if I can use that endosafe unit again nex time I am in that town.
Also to be totally honest I am no lab tech. So it’s possible I fucked up the results. But the Instructions were pretty strait forward.

 

[Oldman.]

On second thought they are not expensive used. The cartridges are $55 each. So it will cost more to buy a 10 pack of the testing cartridges than buy a machine itself. I think I may buy one. Then I could test basically any gh for endotoxins without jumping through any hoops and waiting weeks.

 

[mands]

On second thought they are not expensive used. The cartridges are $55 each. So it will cost more to buy a 10 pack of the testing cartridges than buy a machine itself. I think I may buy one. Then I could test basically any gh for endotoxins without jumping through any hoops and waiting weeks.

I haven't any pricing on the endosafe nexgen. I have seen some other endotoxins kits that range from $90 - $130. Cheap investment to make for those that run GGH. Accompanied by some lab testing on a particular product would be ideal.

Actually I might add it would be a great asset to the community if @Analyzer could offer this for an additional charge to his testing capabilities.

mands

 

[Dr JIM]

I haven't any pricing on the endosafe nexgen. I have seen some other endotoxins kits that range from $90 - $130. Cheap investment to make for those that run GGH. Accompanied by some lab testing on a particular product would be ideal.

Actually I might add it would be a great asset to the community if @Analyzer could offer this for an additional charge to his testing capabilities.

mands

Bc of their MW it’s difficult for me to believe even a GGH lab would not be capable of filtering out LPS endotoxins.

Heck even as non-aggregates, a MW of several million Dalton’s
endotoxin derived Lipo-Poly-Saccarides
are huge molecules by GH standards.

Moreover bc these substances are well know to be a primary cause of “septic shock” they have been very well studied which has enabled Non-LPS
E-coli cloning.

Yet exclusive of advertisements stating GGH is “produced at a GMP facility”, I’ll be the first to admit I’m not at all familiar w the manufacturing protocols of GGH, perhaps bc such a standard has never been defined or published,

Jim

 

[Oldman.]

I am getting a used endosafe pts myself. That would be great if analyzer could offer that test to the community.

 

[Oldman.]

Bc of their MW it’s difficult for me to believe even a GGH lab would not be capable of filtering out LPS endotoxins.

So if there are high levels of endotoxins there is no excuse?

 

[janoshik]

Bc of their MW it’s difficult for me to believe even a GGH lab would not be capable of filtering out LPS endotoxins.

Heck even as non-aggregates, a MW of several million Dalton’s
endotoxin derived Lipo-Poly-Saccarides
are huge molecules by GH standards.

Moreover bc these substances are well know to be a primary cause of “septic shock” they have been very well studied which has enabled Non-LPS
E-coli cloning.

Filtering out endotoxins is literally one of the biggest challenge of pharma industry.

Not because they can't - like you said, it's easy because of big MW difference, but because even the 0.01% that gets through can cause issues.

It's total elimination that's the trouble.

NON-ENDOTOXIN (they still have to have LPS, just non-immunogenic) E. Coli are a thing, but a thing so recent I doubt it's widely implemented simply because implementing any big change in this kind of industry takes (relatively) a lot of time.

 

[Dr JIM]

So if there are high levels of endotoxins there is no excuse?

I’m not sure what your question is but a positive endotoxin screening assay is cause for pause of course.

And IMO wo knowing the sensitivity or specificity of that LPS assay Id steer clear until a confirmation assay was conducted.

Hope that helps
Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

So if there are high levels of endotoxins there is no excuse?

If you can post the specific name of the test you used I’ll look into, and if available post, it’s reliability.

 

[tmerrill]

Thanks again for all the feedback - so your recommendation would be to STOP using any GGH that produces a reaction (red welt)? Even though the same product does not produce a reaction in a friend?

 

[Jeffg353]

Thanks again for all the feedback - so your recommendation would be to STOP using any GGH that produces a reaction (red welt)? Even though the same product does not produce a reaction in a friend?

Exactly! Wether it's endotoxins or left over pieces of this or that, ur body is throwing up some red flags, in ur case welts, that it's not liking/agreeing what ur putting in it. If ur friend isn't having the reaction maybe u can sell remaining supply to him n go with pharm grade or take ur chances with a different brand of generics.

 

[Doug_S]

Bc the rHGH manufactured and secreted by E-coil is less then perfect a certain degree of "incomplete" proteins, PEPs and peptides are also produced.

These incomplete proteins is most likely responsible for the "welts" some experience when running GGH.

And bc of the possibility of "allergic reactions" Pharma uses a variety of processes such as ultrafiltration to electrophoresis to greatly minimize the risks of "foreign protein exposure" on behalf of patients.

It doesn't work that way. The gene in the plasmid vector would have to be corruption thus encoding for the wrong protein.

This is a symptom of poorer refinement/extraction of the hgh that includes more dimer and possibly some fragments of the ecoli.

 

[Dr JIM]

Thanks again for all the feedback - so your recommendation would be to STOP using any GGH that produces a reaction (red welt)? Even though the same product does not produce a reaction in a friend?

Actually even though it may have the same labeling, distributor and source, absent analytical testing there's no way to KNOW if the GGH you're using is identical to that which a friend is running.

It's also important to understand how differing levels of immunity may impact the development of what appears to be an "allergic" reaction and/or phenomena.

And with respect to your question about what to do?

I can only tell you what is likely the medical standard IF such a reaction was observed with a Pharma HGH product, it would be returned to the manufacturer, and the patient would be issued a full credit or refund.

JIM

 

[janoshik]

I can only tell you what is likely the medical standard IF such a reaction was observed with a Pharma HGH - it would be returned to the manufacturer, and the patient would be issued a full credit or refund.

JIM

LOL

So when you get a side effect from a prescription medicine you return it to a manufacturer and get a full credit / refund? What kind of a fantasy world are you living in, fake doctor?

Stop spreading bullshit.