HGH sleep issues

[400degrees]

About a month in on ugl GH, 4iu every night before bed, 2hrs after dinner. First couple weeks it knocked me out all night. Past couple weeks I've been wide awake at 3am every night. Almost feels like a cortisol spike. Wondering if I should ride it out, switch to am, or if anyone has had the same experience or knows the possible science behind this regarding the gh interactions with prolactin, progesterone or adrenals.

 

[Benf15harp]

I really don't think it's that simple at all. GH pharmacology and sleep in general are two heavily researched topics with multiple factors effecting both. The body can handle large doses, there's experiences and studies with four times this dose, well tolerated. Personally I don't think shutting down natural production for less than 4iu's is worth it unless your GH deficient. If you mean lower and titrate up or split into smaller doses I could see trying that

Here’s the thing: those people aren’t you. You have no idea what 1,2,3,4 ius is doing to you and obviously 4 is a dose you can’t handle. So lower the dose.

 

[400degrees]

Depending on the dose. IGF1 is what provides the negative feedback, so if eod dosing provides a high enough IGF1 level then yes, you will remain shut down. I'm not quite sure how long after igf1 drops off natural gh pulses continue but it might be that even if igf1 dropped low enough in 24h, that natural pulses still wouldn't restart ...

Got it. Yes I would suspect that would might be true with the 24h going by feels; I've been 3 days off gh, first two nights poor sleep, 3rd night back to normal.

 

[400degrees]

I would absolutely try am dosing and split dosing. Am dosing, and split dosing with an early afternoon pin worked for me while my body adjusted. I stopped having sleep issues when I switched to that schedule. After a few months I had adjusted to hgh to the point I can do a whole bolus right before bed with no issues just fine.

Aha. Well that sounds promising. I don't want to write of gh just yet, especially with a couple hundred iu's stocked up, so I'll give that a try. Did you time the early afternoon pin around a workout/meal?

 

[400degrees]

Here’s the thing: those people aren’t you. You have no idea what 1,2,3,4 ius is doing to you and obviously 4 is a dose you can’t handle. So lower the dose.

2 iu's could be just barely above a replacement dose. My igf1 is high normal natural as is, even at 37yo. Aside from sleep i'm experiencing no other side effects. I can handle the dose in terms of fluid retention and insulin resistance mitigation. All I'm saying is why expose yourself to potential risks for such a low dose

 

[iris]

2 iu's could be just barely above a replacement dose. My igf1 is high normal natural as is, even at 37yo.

A couple of 2iu.
Maybe he thinks you are a woman.

Apparently, he's an athlete.
It's possible he suffered concussion, at some point.
That would explain a lot of things.

 

[Benf15harp]

2 iu's could be just barely above a replacement dose. My igf1 is high normal natural as is, even at 37yo. Aside from sleep i'm experiencing no other side effects. I can handle the dose in terms of fluid retention and insulin resistance mitigation. All I'm saying is why expose yourself to potential risks for such a low dose

“Could be”
You do you my friend.

 

[Benf15harp]

A couple of 2iu.
Maybe he thinks you are a woman.

Apparently, he's an athlete.
It's possible he suffered concussion, at some point.
That would explain a lot of things.

Does insulting me make you feel better?
the amount of iu’s is absolutely meaningless.
Have a wonderful day.

 

[lilhawk]

the sleep issue is simple. You’re taking more than your body can handle. Take less.

lol no

 

[lilhawk]

Split your dose. Take it am, then pre or post workout.

 

[Benf15harp]

lol no

If not then why the need to split it?

 

[Ateam2023]

A couple of 2iu.
Maybe he thinks you are a woman.

Apparently, he's an athlete.
It's possible he suffered concussion, at some point.
That would explain a lot of things.

annd this is harm reduction how?

 

[laclark89]

Do you have sleep apnea or have you been tested for it?

Has your weight increased since you started?

HGH can cause an increase in soft tissue in the neck, and also water can transfer from the legs upwards when laying down, both inducing or worsening sleep apnea.

If that's the case, just reducing weight might fix it.

https://jcsm.aasm.org/doi/full/10.5664/jcsm.27823

I haven’t really heard of sleep apnea or noticed anyone under 250 pounds Mabe unless they are 5’4 lol.

I’ve noticed with my self for sure at 250+ pounds my breathing and sleeping is shit, 230 I’m golden and I’m 6’3.

I know 3-4 people personally who have it all are over 250 pounds.

 

[laclark89]

A couple of 2iu.
Maybe he thinks you are a woman.

Apparently, he's an athlete.
It's possible he suffered concussion, at some point.
That would explain a lot of things.

Yea I think 2iu 5x a week could be replacement for an old man lol.

Easy on the athletes haha, I’ve had a few concussions myself, probably had cte before 10th grade. That does explain what’s wrong with me.

 

[songsofpyramids]

Aha. Well that sounds promising. I don't want to write of gh just yet, especially with a couple hundred iu's stocked up, so I'll give that a try. Did you time the early afternoon pin around a workout/meal?

I did early am when I woke up to pee, and early pm after lifting.

 

[iris]

Yea I think 2iu 5x a week could be replacement for an old man lol.

Easy on the athletes haha, I’ve had a few concussions myself, probably had cte before 10th grade. That does explain what’s wrong with me.

There is nothing wrong with you.
If more people on the planet were as cool, humble and talented as you, we would all live in a better place.
Or maybe the concussions explain your kooky genius

 

[Ateam2023]

Yes indeed i myse

Yea I think 2iu 5x a week could be replacement for an old man lol.

Easy on the athletes haha, I’ve had a few concussions myself, probably had cte before 10th grade. That does explain what’s wrong with me.

suffered a tbi in 2016 very tramatic as far as recovering but i have to say that Thank the Good lord and a healthy lifestyle and im in pretty good shape these days ,,,,, a lil burnt from dabbing lol

 

[Ateam2023]

PTSD is real

 

[laclark89]

There is nothing wrong with you.
If more people on the planet were as cool, humble and talented as you, we would all live in a better place.
Or maybe the concussions explain your kooky genius

How sweet of u lol.

Yes indeed i myse

suffered a tbi in 2016 very tramatic as far as recovering but i have to say that Thank the Good lord and a healthy lifestyle and im in pretty good shape these days ,,,,, a lil burnt from dabbing lol

oh yea the dabs got me too lol. A friend of my family just past from a brain bleed, got hit in the head at work and went to kiaser here where I live told them something was not right and they sent him home, I think he died that night or next day. Yea for sure he’s good. Glad you recovered. I just recovered from a spinal cord injury myself scary stuff.

 

[Benf15harp]

It should be well known that peak production of hgh in late teens to early 20’s is at most 1000mcgs per day which equals 3ius. The op is late 30’s which tops out at 500mcgs so your replacement dose would need to be only 1.5ius.
Obviously these numbers will vary by individual but to think you need 4ius or as some Moron said 2ius is for women couldn’t possibly be more wrong.
Be careful with this stuff or fuk around and find out. Your call.

 

[AlexDavis43]

It should be well known that peak production of hgh in late teens to early 20’s is at most 1000mcgs per day which equals 3ius. The op is late 30’s which tops out at 500mcgs so your replacement dose would need to be only 1.5ius.

Do you have refs for any of this? GH production per day by age bracket.