HMG for restoring LH & FSH during PCT

[Tinyuniverse31]

At 1 time? Yes. Never go over 500iu on any given day. You will desensitize your body and it will no longer be effective. I take 1500iu a week split dose 3 days a week. 500iu each injection. I inject I'm instead of subq. Seems to work better for me. I do this on cycle. I blast and cruise so I have not run a pct in years but I would not do the 1000iu shots imo

 

[Docd187123]

At 1 time? Yes. Never go over 500iu on any given day. You will desensitize your body and it will no longer be effective. I take 1500iu a week split dose 3 days a week. 500iu each injection. I inject I'm instead of subq. Seems to work better for me. I do this on cycle. I blast and cruise so I have not run a pct in years but I would not do the 1000iu shots imo

It's fine to do 1000-1500iu shots for a period in order to jumpstRt the HPTA. You won't desensitize the Leydig cells with those doses.

 

[ddp7]

At 1 time? Yes. Never go over 500iu on any given day. You will desensitize your body and it will no longer be effective. I take 1500iu a week split dose 3 days a week. 500iu each injection. I inject I'm instead of subq. Seems to work better for me. I do this on cycle. I blast and cruise so I have not run a pct in years but I would not do the 1000iu shots imo

Well, I do not understand your message exactly. But you're using complex drugs like testosterone. Plus I suppose your trt really should be around the top of what's allowed. Then people are surprised of the side effects. First is the philosophy, then the science. And Dr S. knows the Right way, where we have to go. I do not like narcissistic philosophies.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I don't think it's dependent on body weight.

I asked because it's nearly hopeless to search for HCG in combo with something weight related because of all the f-ing homeopathic weight loss programs that claim to use HCG.

(I was appalled when an otherwise sensible friend of mine (because of his wife, so he had a slight excuse) went through one of those "HCG drops" diets. Wow, and he lost weight!!! That HCG sure works great for weight loss, right? Or maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with the insane "diet" he was following.... something ridiculous like 500 cal per day. Yeah, I'm suuuure the HCG caused the weight loss. Sigh.)

 

[Tinyuniverse31]

It's fine to do 1000-1500iu shots for a period in order to jumpstRt the HPTA. You won't desensitize the Leydig cells with those doses.

I'm not a doctor and I don't claim to know everything I just read and I have talked with several doctors regarding trt and fertility. I found this and it is not a clinical or anything but does support what I was trying to say. I think crisler and scally both have good ideas but at the same time people will argue they are idiots and have lost their licenses for good reason. I always say read and come to your own conclusion. Here is the post I am talking about though. I have always liked what crisler said... Does not mean it is correct
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/HCG_Dosage.aspx (HCG Dosage)

 

[ddp7]

I asked because it's nearly hopeless to search for HCG in combo with something weight related because of all the f-ing homeopathic weight loss programs that claim to use HCG.

(I was appalled when an otherwise sensible friend of mine (because of his wife, so he had a slight excuse) went through one of those "HCG drops" diets. Wow, and he lost weight!!! That HCG sure works great for weight loss, right? Or maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with the insane "diet" he was following.... something ridiculous like 500 cal per day. Yeah, I'm suuuure the HCG caused the weight loss. Sigh.)

Of course," hcg diet" is absolutely GARBAGE.

The best measure to control weight is the Poliquin breakfast bc help with a busylife and lifestyle. But at the sametime you dont lose energy and allow eat a lot of calories in a efficient metabolic way.

 

[ddp7]

I'm not a doctor and I don't claim to know everything I just read and I have talked with several doctors regarding trt and fertility. I found this and it is not a clinical or anything but does support what I was trying to say. I think crisler and scally both have good ideas but at the same time people will argue they are idiots and have lost their licenses for good reason. I always say read and come to your own conclusion. Here is the post I am talking about though. I have always liked what crisler said... Does not mean it is correct
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/HCG_Dosage.aspx (HCG Dosage)

Lol, What kind of epistemology have you? BIOLOGY AND LAW in the same phrase??????

PARROTS EVERYWHERE!!!

The real difference between Dr. S. and others are some concerns about serum testosterone levels. THIS IS AN SOCIAL IMPACT ISSUE.

jUST SAYIN.

 

[Tinyuniverse31]

Lol, What kind of epistemology have you? BIOLOGY AND LAW in the same phrase??????

PARROTS EVERYWHERE!!!

The real difference between Dr. S. and others are some concerns about serum testosterone levels. THIS IS AN SOCIAL IMPACT ISSUE.

jUST SAYIN.

All I do is state my opinions sir... I always tell people what works for me. I get labs regularly and I am my own guinea pig. The things I read and try either work or they don't. I run logs on other boards and I believe I have never given anyone bad information. I try to at least post some kind of research to back up What I say. I apologize to anybody who does not value my opinion but everyone is entitled to voice theirs... I respect everyone on this board who is here for the right reasons. And as long as they are not complete assholes I will always give them the respect they deserve.

 

[Docd187123]

I asked because it's nearly hopeless to search for HCG in combo with something weight related because of all the f-ing homeopathic weight loss programs that claim to use HCG.

(I was appalled when an otherwise sensible friend of mine (because of his wife, so he had a slight excuse) went through one of those "HCG drops" diets. Wow, and he lost weight!!! That HCG sure works great for weight loss, right? Or maybe, just maybe, it had something to do with the insane "diet" he was following.... something ridiculous like 500 cal per day. Yeah, I'm suuuure the HCG caused the weight loss. Sigh.)

Anyone with an ounce of sense doesn't buy into that bullshit

 

[Docd187123]

I'm not a doctor and I don't claim to know everything I just read and I have talked with several doctors regarding trt and fertility. I found this and it is not a clinical or anything but does support what I was trying to say. I think crisler and scally both have good ideas but at the same time people will argue they are idiots and have lost their licenses for good reason. I always say read and come to your own conclusion. Here is the post I am talking about though. I have always liked what crisler said... Does not mean it is correct
http://www.peaktestosterone.com/HCG_Dosage.aspx (HCG Dosage)

I've read Crisler's paper and was once saying the same thing as you. After reading some of Dr. Scally's posts and digging deeper, I have found no evidence of desensitization ever happening with 1000-1500iu shots that were limited to specific lengths of time.

 

[ddp7]

Anyone with an ounce of sense doesn't buy into that bullshit

Even with a mcg of sense!

 

[ddp7]

I've read Crisler's paper and was once saying the same thing as you. After reading some of Dr. Scally's posts and digging deeper, I have found no evidence of desensitization ever happening with 1000-1500iu shots that were limited to specific lengths of time.

1000-1500 weekly?

 

[Docd187123]

1000-1500 weekly?

That's for fertility and/or blasting just before doing a pct. It's not the dose you would use to prevent atrophy.

 

[tenpoundsleft]

That's for fertility and/or blasting just before doing a pct. It's not the dose you would use to prevent atrophy.

Seen any stats on the range recommended regarding atrophy prevention?

It's really uncomfortable when the nuts crawl up inside you - before I started using HCG - a cross between being kicked in the nuts and having blue balls.

So now they're down there, but from a "recreational needs" perspective, I'd like them to be not merely down there, but as large and full as possible. Is there any dose that would be more effective, or does 250IU 2x per week provide all the growth stimulation possible?

Any synergistic meds to use to get them as big as possible? This is from a TRT, never off, perspective.

(praise be to the anonymity of the Internet, how the hell could one ask the above otherwise?)

 

[Tinyuniverse31]

250iu twice a week should be fine. Mon, wed Fri I have heard works better. I do 500iu 3 times a week and that is my sweet spot. But I also do it for fertility reason for when I come off in may

 

[ddp7]

Thanks Guys

 

[Docd187123]

Seen any stats on the range recommended regarding atrophy prevention?

It's really uncomfortable when the nuts crawl up inside you - before I started using HCG - a cross between being kicked in the nuts and having blue balls.

So now they're down there, but from a "recreational needs" perspective, I'd like them to be not merely down there, but as large and full as possible. Is there any dose that would be more effective, or does 250IU 2x per week provide all the growth stimulation possible?

Any synergistic meds to use to get them as big as possible? This is from a TRT, never off, perspective.

(praise be to the anonymity of the Internet, how the hell could one ask the above otherwise?)

Most of what I've seen suggests 250iu twice a week as being plenty. Some might require a slightly higher or more frequent dose though.

 

[BirdieNumNum]

I've smashed 5000iu a number of times. Ponder this kids

 

[tenpoundsleft]

I've smashed 5000iu a number of times. Ponder this kids

Well, you can swallow a bottle of Dbol too, but that's a waste.

Half-life considerations, leading to regular year round injections of small amounts is what we need.

Unless you're trying to get pregnant I fail to see what 5K IU will do beyond the benefits of the first 300IU?

 

[BirdieNumNum]

No I was referring to the desensitisation.