How does HGH help with fat loss?

[aln24]

I'm cutting with 175mg Test E per day. The thought of adding a low dosage of HGH has crossed my mind several times. You always hear about how well it works for fat loss. Better sleep and quicker recovery sounds awesome as well.

However at the end of the day, isn't a 500 calorie deficit is still going to be a 500 calorie deficit, no matter how much HGH you add? I understand how drugs like DNP, T3 or Clen help with fat loss, but HGH is confusing to me. Sorry for my lack of knowledge, I would appreciate any help.

 

[UncleBuns]

I'm cutting with 175mg Test E per day. The thought of adding a low dosage of HGH has crossed my mind several times. You always hear about how well it works for fat loss. Better sleep and quicker recovery sounds awesome as well.

However at the end of the day, isn't a 500 calorie deficit is still going to be a 500 calorie deficit, no matter how much HGH you add? I understand how drugs like DNP, T3 or Clen help with fat loss, but HGH is confusing to me. Sorry for my lack of knowledge, I would appreciate any help.

Search bar. HGH + fat loss

 

[aln24]

Search bar. HGH + fat loss

I've found a lot of interesting experiences but my question still stands. I guess nobody really understands how it works.

 

[Benf15harp]

Stimulates lipólysis

 

[narta]

. I guess nobody really understands how it works.

Ah, we do.

But we collectively absofuckinglutley HATE lazy POS that don't do the legwork

 

[aln24]

Ah, we do.

But we collectively absofuckinglutley HATE lazy POS that don't do the legwork

Seems like you don’t understand the question. Don't worry, I will come back and share the answer once I know it.

 

[narta]

Seems like you don’t understand the question. Don't worry, I will come back and share the answer once I know it.

It seems you fail at reading comprehension

 

[ShredSeason]

It seems you fail at reading comprehension

Tbf, people get pretty heady on the technical terms when it comes to GH. I dove into the research, and a lot of it flew over my head.

I’ll take a crack at this @aln24 , hopefully someone in a better mood than others here can add to what I say.

You’re right, a deficit’s a deficit, but not all deficits achieve the same results. Cutting is catabolic by nature. Most of this is fat, but unfortunately for us, some of that catabolism comes in the form of muscle loss as well.

That’s where GH comes in. Through (magic, idfk I’m retarded with anatomy) it stimulates lipolysis, favoring fat burning over muscle loss. It also changes where you lose fat, helping you lose more in your midsection. Anavar does this too btw.

I’m very heavy (hehe) into optimizing fat loss. From practical experience, deficit remains king, and it’s not even close. All other leverages are icing on the cake at best. In practice, this makes GLP-1s the undisputed GOATs for speedrunning fat loss; stimulants as well, if you wanna get a little wild with it.

If you wish to use compounds to achieve “performance-enhanced” weight loss, the game becomes utilizing appetite suppressants to push steep deficits while leveraging anabolics and GH to spare muscle loss. Remember, GH is the icing at best. A big downside is it greatly increases water retention, which fucks with the scale. This can be very demoralizing when you’re pushing 1,000+ cal deficits and not seeing the results on the or in your face that you should be. You take it in stride at first, but after weeks on end, it can wear on you. I’ve stayed away from GH for most of my cut for this exact reason.

 

[iris]

It seems you fail at reading comprehension

Good morning

 

[iris]

Seems like you don’t understand the question. Don't worry, I will come back and share the answer once I know it.

It's just that there are so many current and active thread about this, with so much information all over the place, which you have not bothered to look at, at all, if you have posted this stuff.
Honestly, just ask for this to be deleted and go where it's all already happening.
Much easier.

 

[explodingHeart]

Honestly I don't notice jack shit with 10iu QSC GH vs no GH with everything else the same (gear, calories, etc.)

Maybe you need to be in contest shape, down to the final few weeks for it to matter. I wouldn't bother with it unless you were competing.

Spend your money on more chicken breast or a GLP-1, instead.

 

[lilhawk]

Honestly I don't notice jack shit with 10iu QSC GH vs no GH with everything else the same (gear, calories, etc.)

Maybe you need to be in contest shape, down to the final few weeks for it to matter. I wouldn't bother with it unless you were competing.

Spend your money on more chicken breast or a GLP-1, instead.

If you don't notice any difference on 10iu of GH then your GH is complete junk.

 

[ZyzzReincarnate]

Honestly I don't notice jack shit with 10iu QSC GH vs no GH with everything else the same (gear, calories, etc.)

Maybe you need to be in contest shape, down to the final few weeks for it to matter. I wouldn't bother with it unless you were competing.

Spend your money on more chicken breast or a GLP-1, instead.

How long did you run the HGH at 10iu for?

 

[malfeasance]

You're damn right we don't understand it.

TypeIIx has some posts on it that convinces me that he understands it better than I do.

 

[malfeasance]

I'm cutting with 175mg Test E per day. The thought of adding a low dosage of HGH has crossed my mind several times. You always hear about how well it works for fat loss. Better sleep and quicker recovery sounds awesome as well.

However at the end of the day, isn't a 500 calorie deficit is still going to be a 500 calorie deficit, no matter how much HGH you add? I understand how drugs like DNP, T3 or Clen help with fat loss, but HGH is confusing to me. Sorry for my lack of knowledge, I would appreciate any help.

Your question is too general.

For example, how old are you?

How much hgh can you afford to run for 6 months at a time?

If you are 19 and are going to run 2 iu, then do not bother.

Also, are you already losing weight? Growth hormone is not going to just melt away fat while you are eating too much.

Do you have a 500 calorie deficit? How do you know?

Did you know that in 4 weeks eating the same calories, that you will no longer have a 500 calorie deficit, even if you were accurate about your estimate of a 500 calorie deficit to begin with?

I do not know how it works. But it accelerates fat loss.

Low-dose growth hormone treatment with diet restriction accelerates body fat loss, exerts anabolic effect and improves growth hormone secretory dysfunction in obese adults - PubMed

Growth hormone (GH) can induce an accelerated lipolysis. Impaired secretion of GH in obesity results in the consequent loss of the lipolytic effect of GH. Dietary restriction as a basic treatment for obesity is complicated by poor compliance, protein catabolism, and slow rates or weight loss. GH...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

So say the guys in white coats, who stayed at a Holiday Inn last night.

I also know that my own experience is that it makes body recomposition easier for me, but I am an old dude with very low natty levels of IGF-1, so that may not apply to you.

My muscles also stay fuller while losing fat, if that makes sense (water retention?). It has been beneficial for me, but it does not replace the basics, calorie restriction, cardio, strength training, and so on. As somebody above said, icing on the cake. I think it is better than just icing on the cake, but the basics have to be in place already.



From the link:
"24 obese subjects (22 women and 2 men; 22-46 years old) were fed a diet of 25 kcal/kg ideal body weight (IBW) with 1.2 g protein/kg IBW daily and were treated with recombinant human GH (n = 12, 0.18 U/kg IBW/week) or placebo (n = 12, vehicle injection) in a 12-week randomized, double-blind and placebo-controlled trial. GH treatment caused a 1.6-fold increase in the fraction of body weight lost as fat and a greater loss of visceral fat area than placebo treatment (35.3 vs. 28.5%, p < 0.05)."

 

[Jin23]

I guess nobody really understands how it works.

I understand how it works.

I've found a lot of interesting experiences but my question still stands.

Look further. And stop being manipulative.

 

[malfeasance]

Wow, you guys really want to beat him up. LOL

 

[malfeasance]

From the link:
"24 obese subjects (22 women and 2 men; 22-46 years old) were fed a diet of 25 kcal/kg ideal body weight (IBW) with 1.2 g protein/kg IBW daily and were treated with recombinant human GH (n = 12, 0.18 U/kg IBW/week) or placebo (n = 12, vehicle injection) in a 12-week randomized, double-blind and placebo-controlled trial. GH treatment caused a 1.6-fold increase in the fraction of body weight lost as fat and a greater loss of visceral fat area than placebo treatment (35.3 vs. 28.5%, p < 0.05)."

I just wanted to point out a few of things that nobody probably noticed skimming this because my posts are too damn long.



First - controlled diet. These folks all limited their days to 2500 calories, and of that, moderate minimum levels protein in those 2500 calories, which does not leave as much room for fats and carbs.

Note that fatties do not normally eat like this, which is why they are fatties. If you talk to fatties about this, it will be of no use, because fatties are in denial about what they eat. Any of you have have ever discussed diet with a fattie know what I am talking about ("I've tried everything." or "you're so lucky to have a fast metabolism" or "I stuck to the diet but still gained weight"). Whether they actually believe the bullshit that they tell you or they just think that you will believe it, what they say does not reflect what they eat.

Second - Notice the protein is 1.2 grams per kilogram of "ideal" bodyweight. So for a woman, maybe they were shooting for 130 pounds? That's 59 kilograms. So for her, that's only 71 grams of protein. Believe it or not, most fattie women do not come anywhere close to that level of protein intake daily (I have seen it too many times when forced to track what they actually eat). A man in this study might be 180 pounds. That's 82 kilograms. So the man would be eating right at 100 grams of protein daily.


Third - The subjects using hgh lost more fat and visceral fat as a fraction of bodyweight than the others.

This tells me that they all lost weight.

Why?

Because fatties don't limit their eating to 2500 calories and do not hit a minimum level of protein every day consistently. When forced to do so, their body changes.

"I've tried everything!"

"Oh, yeah," laughing, "What about eating more protein and restricting your daily caloric intake?"

"What? I like to enjoy life a little!"

So there seemed to be some benefit with respect to fat loss using hgh, but it is within the confines of getting in protein and restricting calories in an environment where you are already losing weight. In that environment, more of the weight will be from fat if you are using hgh, or so this study seems to say.

Fourth - It looks like they were running a whole lot of hgh, or maybe my math is off. Somebody double check, please. (n = 12, 0.18 U/kg IBW/week)

 

[malfeasance]

Fifth - also from the link:

"In the placebo group, there was a loss in lean body mass (-2.62 +/- 1.51 kg) and a negative nitrogen balance (-4.52 +/- 3.51 g/day). By contrast, the GH group increased in lean body mass (1.13 +/- 1.04 kg) and had a positive nitrogen balance (1.81 +/- 2.06 g/day)."

 

[malfeasance]

Here's the whole abstract.

Abstract​

Growth hormone (GH) can induce an accelerated lipolysis. Impaired secretion of GH in obesity results in the consequent loss of the lipolytic effect of GH. Dietary restriction as a basic treatment for obesity is complicated by poor compliance, protein catabolism, and slow rates or weight loss. GH has an anabolic effect by increasing insulin-like growth factor (IGF)-I. We investigated the effects of GH treatment and dietary restriction on lipolytic and anabolic actions, as well as the consequent changes in insulin and GH secretion in obesity. 24 obese subjects (22 women and 2 men; 22-46 years old) were fed a diet of 25 kcal/kg ideal body weight (IBW) with 1.2 g protein/kg IBW daily and were treated with recombinant human GH (n = 12, 0.18 U/kg IBW/week) or placebo (n = 12, vehicle injection) in a 12-week randomized, double-blind and placebo-controlled trial. GH treatment caused a 1.6-fold increase in the fraction of body weight lost as fat and a greater loss of visceral fat area than placebo treatment (35.3 vs. 28.5%, p < 0.05). In the placebo group, there was a loss in lean body mass (-2.62 +/- 1.51 kg) and a negative nitrogen balance (-4.52 +/- 3.51 g/day). By contrast, the GH group increased in lean body mass (1.13 +/- 1.04 kg) and had a positive nitrogen balance (1.81 +/- 2.06 g/day). GH injections caused a 1.6-fold increase in IGF-I, despite caloric restriction. GH response to L-dopa stimulation was blunted in all subjects and it was increased after treatment in both groups. GH treatment did not induce a further increase in insulin levels during an oral glucose tolerance test (OGTT) but significantly decreased free fatty acid (FFA) levels during OGTT. The decrease in FFA area under the curve during OGTT was positively correlated with visceral fat loss. This study demonstrates that in obese subjects given a hypocaloric diet, GH accelerates body fat loss, exerts anabolic effects and improves GH secretion. These findings suggest a possible therapeutic role of low-dose GH with caloric restriction for obesity.