How to do roids without looking like you are on cycle?

[NLM36]

85% of people using gear dont even look like they lift. So. Just be a regular person.

Jesus ain’t that the truth and then guys cite the study that says taking testosterone and not working out produces more muscle than working out.
that’s not how it ever works in real life. Just walk through any gym and look around.
I feel like most of us know or have known atleast one person or who was taking a ton shit and you couldn’t tell they ever looked at weight.
I remember guys eating mass tabs and superdrol like candy when you could get it at supplement stores and the only thing they got was lethargy.

 

[rfan2020]

Hello,
I had my first cycle, everything went perfect, im doing post-PCT bloodwork this week (7 weeks after PCT).
Im going to do another cycle in some months. Im mostly doing steroids for athletic performance, to train more and harder, and i can't do my sports looking like Hulk. On 350mg of T i gain like 7Kg of water and my muscles blow in size, specially traps, delts and upper chest (women love it though), i also get painful shin cramps when running.

How can i do steroids without looking like im on steroids? Would using an AI help? Lowering T dosage? Any steroid recommendations?
I was thinking about running something like 200-250mg/week T, 200mg/week primo for 8-10 weeks and 40-60mg/day anavar for the last 6 weeks.
Last cycle i used Ralox for estrogen control but my muscles were too bloated, so it's either lowering T until the bloat is manageable (specially for sleeping) or using an AI.
Equipoise is not out of the possibilities, but i also have other options to increase RBC and general cardio if needed.

Thanks.

eat less, simple

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

You wont get too big on that cycle. Youll be fine

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

I hate that term. Might as well say don’t do any strength training. Mechanical tension is what causes myofibrillar hypertrophy which is the only one that really matters.

Ya gotta load those muscles up with atp so you can get the blimp effect. Theres a huge difference. There are people right now as strong as ronny colemen that weight prob 80lbs less (prime) than him.

 

[NLM36]

Ya gotta load those muscles up with atp so you can get the blimp effect. Theres a huge difference. There are people right now as strong as ronny colemen that weight prob 80lbs less (prime) than him.

That’s genetics, diet and how they lift. A stronger muscle is a bigger muscle. DC, Blood and Guts, JPs growth principles, they all produce big big guys. There’s no hypertrophy phase or strength phase. They all have one thing in common. It’s all about getting as strong as possible on each exercise. Progressive overload. You think Ronnie was like hey I better get my hypertrophy block in? You think Dorian did that? I’ve got a copy of his training log.
Take a guy from a 100lb squat to a 450-500lb squat and he will have bigger legs. Do the same thing for any exercise on any body part. It’s all about getting stronger. If a muscle isn’t getting stronger, if the resistance isn’t increasing that muscle will not grow.

there’s no evidence that sarcoplasmic hypertrophy produces any tissue growth

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

That’s genetics, diet and how they lift. A stronger muscle is a bigger muscle. DC, Blood and Guts, JPs growth principles, they all produce big big guys. There’s no hypertrophy phase or strength phase. They all have one thing in common. It’s all about getting as strong as possible on each exercise. Progressive overload. You think Ronnie was like hey I better get my hypertrophy block in? You think Dorian did that? I’ve got a copy of his training log.
Take a guy from a 100lb squat to a 450-500lb squat and he will have bigger legs. Do the same thing for any exercise on any body part. It’s all about getting stronger. If a muscle isn’t getting stronger, if the resistance isn’t increasing that muscle will not grow.

there’s no evidence that sarcoplasmic hypertrophy produces any tissue growth

They do not run parallel. A bigger muscle has the potential to be stronger. If we are talking the big three lifts a powelifter pound for pound will win every time. They are not big most of them compared to their large muscle counterparts bodybuilders and strong men. So force production is not congruent with muscle size That's been proven over and over and over again

 

[TrenTrenTren]

That’s genetics, diet and how they lift. A stronger muscle is a bigger muscle. DC, Blood and Guts, JPs growth principles, they all produce big big guys. There’s no hypertrophy phase or strength phase. They all have one thing in common. It’s all about getting as strong as possible on each exercise. Progressive overload. You think Ronnie was like hey I better get my hypertrophy block in? You think Dorian did that? I’ve got a copy of his training log.
Take a guy from a 100lb squat to a 450-500lb squat and he will have bigger legs. Do the same thing for any exercise on any body part. It’s all about getting stronger. If a muscle isn’t getting stronger, if the resistance isn’t increasing that muscle will not grow.

there’s no evidence that sarcoplasmic hypertrophy produces any tissue growth

Yep. You just have to progressively lift heavier and heavier weights. Progressive strength equals progressive growth.

 

[rfan2020]

He is right that heavy training works, but most guys push it too far, and fuck themselvves by being obsessed with the ol logbook.

Start a thread "what injuries do you have" and most bodybuilding forums sound like a collection of cripples. Yeah you need to get stronger but squatting and deadlifting 500lbs, you guys can have that.

 

[NLM36]

They do not run parallel. A bigger muscle has the potential to be stronger. If we are talking the big three lifts a powelifter pound for pound will win every time. They are not big most of them compared to their large muscle counterparts bodybuilders and strong men. So force production is not congruent with muscle size That's been proven over and over and over again

What’s been proven is mechanical tension, progressive overload is the primary driver of growth. It’s built into all those studies and looked over.
show me a big guy who didn’t push big weights to get there. As far as power lifters go, they don’t lift the same. I’ve heard this disingenuous argument before.
However I know a ton of big ass powerlifters.
a bodybuilder and a power lifter shouldn’t use the same technique to squat or bench. They’re not trying to just move the weight from a-b. They’re using it to isolate the muscle. It’s apples and oranges. There’s a reason nobody is building big muscles with 5lb dumbbells

 

[Givemeroidsorgivemedeath]

As I said: Don't. Do. Hypertrophy. Training.

I highlighted the key bit for you.

So traps, delts and upper chest wont blow up if training for strenght or will they blow up regardless? I'd say they may blow up regardless as i gained 7 kilos during the first week, and that must have all been water coming from the roids, not the training, i frontloaded with Test prop. I remember going to the doctor the first week and the nurse looking at my upper chest, which had blow already by that time and getting all nervous and saying i was "fit".

I have been training strength mostly 4x4 on compound movements for the last 11 weeks trying to keep cycle strength and not gain weight and some regular hypertrophy ranges for smaller body parts, it worked.

 

[Givemeroidsorgivemedeath]

If you don’t want to look like you’re on steroids, don’t use steroids?

Call me crazy.

I sometimes train 20+ hours a week, the roids are the difference between being dead or alive at the end of the day. Every single competitive athelete takes steroids for a reason.

 

[grey]

So traps, delts and upper chest wont blow up if training for strenght or will they blow up regardless?

The effect will be less.

 

[NLM36]

He is right that heavy training works, but most guys push it too far, and fuck themselvves by being obsessed with the ol logbook.

Start a thread "what injuries do you have" and most bodybuilding forums sound like a collection of cripples. Yeah you need to get stronger but squatting and deadlifting 500lbs, you guys can have that.

Because you don’t understand the log book.
it’s not about beating the log book at all costs. It’s about beating your reps or weights while maintaining decent form.
i have all my logs for the last 10 years

 

[grey]

Because you don’t understand the log book.

Going to agree here... that is which is tracked is mastered, that which isn't track never will be mastered.

 

[MisterSuperGod]

What’s been proven is mechanical tension, progressive overload is the primary driver of growth. It’s built into all those studies and looked over.
show me a big guy who didn’t push big weights to get there. As far as power lifters go, they don’t lift the same. I’ve heard this disingenuous argument before.
However I know a ton of big ass powerlifters.
a bodybuilder and a power lifter shouldn’t use the same technique to squat or bench. They’re not trying to just move the weight from a-b. They’re using it to isolate the muscle. It’s apples and oranges. There’s a reason nobody is building big muscles with 5lb dumbbells

A few years back there was a guy on another forum that believed pumps (stretching of the muscle fascia?) was the key to growth.

i never gave it much thought until way later that if that were the main driver for growth, i could pop a Cialis, grab a 20 lb dumbbell and i should grow like a weed.

You're correct as far as i'm concerned. It takes big weights to build a big boy. If it were easy everyone would be jacked.

 

[Cdave.aol]

I wouldn't do that. My thought is to sacrifice some carb intake and keep sodium levels optimal, for electrolyte balance.

Bacon here I come hahhaha

 

[Ridethelightningbarefoot]

What’s been proven is mechanical tension, progressive overload is the primary driver of growth. It’s built into all those studies and looked over.
show me a big guy who didn’t push big weights to get there. As far as power lifters go, they don’t lift the same. I’ve heard this disingenuous argument before.
However I know a ton of big ass powerlifters.
a bodybuilder and a power lifter shouldn’t use the same technique to squat or bench. They’re not trying to just move the weight from a-b. They’re using it to isolate the muscle. It’s apples and oranges. There’s a reason nobody is building big muscles with 5lb dumbbells

Im not a bb. Im talking about strength training. Yea you need all those things to get big as bb but you wont be as strong as someone who trains specificity with those lifts. Strength is force production. Does matter how you perform the lift. If you specifically train flat bench then you will be strong at it and if you train a arched bench you will get strong. Ive seen powerlifters who had a lot of meat deadlift 700lbs and ive powerlifters who didnt look like they worked out deadlift 700lbs. There are a lot of variables involved when it comes to just strength over building tissue. So why is that? Because meat and strength arent always arent equivalent. Ive seen powerlifters who became bbs they put on 50lbs of mass and can still only lift the same or slightly more. Why does this happen. Im not talking about the exact same thing as you i dont think. Im talking about 1 rep max, pure force production.

 

[Cdave.aol]

That’s genetics, diet and how they lift. A stronger muscle is a bigger muscle. DC, Blood and Guts, JPs growth principles, they all produce big big guys. There’s no hypertrophy phase or strength phase. They all have one thing in common. It’s all about getting as strong as possible on each exercise. Progressive overload. You think Ronnie was like hey I better get my hypertrophy block in? You think Dorian did that? I’ve got a copy of his training log.
Take a guy from a 100lb squat to a 450-500lb squat and he will have bigger legs. Do the same thing for any exercise on any body part. It’s all about getting stronger. If a muscle isn’t getting stronger, if the resistance isn’t increasing that muscle will not grow.

there’s no evidence that sarcoplasmic hypertrophy produces any tissue growth

Honestly now that I’ve increased the volume lifting in the 6-12 rep range, I’m noticing a big difference in visual growth. Before, for years, I use to strictly train 3-5 reps and would get stronger but hardly look any bigger unless I was in a big caloric surplus.

Fuck this heavy training shit, it’s taxing and little reward for me in terms of physique and hypertrophy.

 

[conqueror]

 

[NLM36]

I’m trying to avoid sodium as much as possible on this cycle to avoid bloat and water retention.

You need sodium. If you’re bloating other things are going on. There is no reason to avoid it. I eat 5 grams a day