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how to make transdermal testosterone?
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Bugsy123
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Gotcha thanks man. I’m curious as to ratios though. How much test powder into the cream base for that 20%.
clearheaded
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use math.... 20g per 100g of cream...
baxter0312
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there is displacement and evaporation so the actual concentration won't be exact
baxter0312
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Stuff is strong af, I only used a pea sized amount
Also, bloods taken 4 hours after applying
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clearheaded
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was previous test taking exogenous test ? or what's your baseline I guess would be the question..
would GUESS a pea size being ruffly 100mg would be using 20mg of test which is lower end of normal use 30-50mg of test for creams is standard
would GUESS a pea size being ruffly 100mg would be using 20mg of test which is lower end of normal use 30-50mg of test for creams is standard
baxter0312
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Yeah injecting 200 per week usually puts me around 800 at trough. Baseline doesn’t matter since I’m shut down (besides hcg)
A pea to me would be .25ml so 50mg test .
I’m trying to get a ballpark number for what kind of absorption I’m getting , but the done with injections was done at trough and with the cream it was done four hours afterwards
baxter0312
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I just checked with an insulin syringe, it was definitely no more than 0.2ml, maybe a little less
so if 28.5mg at 100% gives the same levels as 40mg of cream what absorption is that? like 70%? how is that possible?
so if 28.5mg at 100% gives the same levels as 40mg of cream what absorption is that? like 70%? how is that possible?
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So 4 hrs after applying this test cream… u scored a 928….
What was ur frequency of use?
Was there any injections dueing that same frequency of use of cream?
When did u apply the cream? Before bed, early upon rising.. etc…?
baxter0312
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Great question, I was actually pinning test e 28.5mg every day. I stopped about 7 days before taking bloods
Cream was applied 4 hours before the test
baxter0312
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also this was an ECLIA test
baxter0312
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So after some math we can conclude that the level would have actually been 725 ng/dl discounting the enanthate still being released
baxter0312
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After some more math we see the absorption is 55%. Or we will just say 50%. More reasonable still a lot higher than people talk about with transdermals
I’m going to get an LC/MS test and try to hit 2000. And then maybe some ppl will shut their traps
I’m going to get an LC/MS test and try to hit 2000. And then maybe some ppl will shut their traps
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clearheaded
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ya I think u have to take ur calc with a grain of salt as HUGE amounts of assumptions... you need to get a baseline with no use, that being said, if continue to get the same levels then does it matter lol... but ya creams are very highly absorbed think 70+% is pretty normal. but also varies on the person, location, surface area if u recently showered/humidity/temp etc. there is a reason why transfer is basically 0 after an hour or something I think is what manufacturers cite... because its mostly absorbed.
forget where someone was getting 1200 test levels off of 50mg test cream.
forget where someone was getting 1200 test levels off of 50mg test cream.
Bugsy123
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When I hopped on creams from my compounding pharmacy I was getting a reading over 1200ng/dl. My pharmacy uses an atrevis base. Either way I was shocked. My levels hovered around 900 when on injectables.
baxter0312
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I don’t need to get a baseline, why would I? Because we can assume the injectable is 100% absorbed. This experiment isn’t to say you use this cream and put it here in this amount you’ll get these levels. It’s simply a comparison of injections to phlojel ultra with me as the subject.
another thing, we need to define what “creams” are. We know there is a big difference between alcohol preparations and “creams” but it doesn’t say much to just say creams without detailing which exact base it is. Phlojel ultra does not look like a cream at all in its base form. It’s kind of like jello, half solid half liquid.
baxter0312
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The ultimate question for me is can a transdermal be a viable alternative by using a reasonable amount over a reasonable area of skin. (In other words, not having to bathe in the stuff). Not just for trt but for the typical meso member
baxter0312
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clearheaded
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ya suppose u know your natural levels are prob much lower... the idea was u dont know how much ur levels went up unless know a baseline.
depends what u want to know. just google up serum levels testosterone transdermal. if want to know peak than think its ~2 hrs after application. if want to know if levels are decent 8 hrs later than test then. nasal gel apparently clears pretty fast like hrs for some people.
depends what u want to know. just google up serum levels testosterone transdermal. if want to know peak than think its ~2 hrs after application. if want to know if levels are decent 8 hrs later than test then. nasal gel apparently clears pretty fast like hrs for some people.
baxter0312
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I’m shut down though so they’re zero
