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How to prevent injection pain
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I never said pain was good, I meant that pain will be far less if that is cut with EO oil.
It will thinn it out some and drawing will be easier.
They use EO for prop to cut the pain down, it works well.
Viramone is my fav prop, but it is 100mg per ml, it is the best prop I ever had and the oil is EO.
If I get painful gear, I always cut it with EO and run it all back through a filter works every time.
Is EO an anesthetic? If not, why would it be any better than simply more sterile oil?
I wont be drug into your arguements, I bow out to your superior mind asshole.
I dont like you.
It is not that you are smart, but you are far too challenging, and oppionated, to see anything other than your opinion.
So, consider your resource of some information eliminated.
You can fuck off.
Its your loss asshole.
I think you are an arrogent prick.
Do your own research on EO oil, I did...............
You do more harm than good on the boards..........................blow me...............fag.........
You won't be drug into my arguments? lol. All I'm asking is why I should believe your statement that EO is less painful for diluting gear than simply adding more oil. I see no reason to believe it's any better, so until I hear a good argument for why it is I'd be a fool to take the word of some random guy on the internet. Unfortunately most people are fools and do exactly that. And then they pass it on, like you're probably doing right now.
You're the asshat for claiming things and then getting all pissy when people like me ask for supporting evidence. If you have evidence, then present it. If you don't, then learn to say to. Don't get mad at the people smart enough to employ evidence based reasoning.
Listen up prick, I wont be drug into arguements with you, I have used EO many times to cut gear with, it works better than any other oil.
Propionate is known for pain, and if you cut prop with EO, far less and almost painless, grapeseed, cotton seed oils I have used and it does not work half as good as EO.
I personally dont care if you believe me or not, you are only here for arguements sake and I dont have the time to bottle feed you.
I have been training for probably longer than you have been alive, your challenging me constantly is insulting as you are still wet behind the ears keyboard warrior.
Now go and fuck off, I have spent more time with you than you deserve.
What I say is easily varifyable and I wont take the time to breast feed you junior.
Propionate is known for pain, and if you cut prop with EO, far less and almost painless, grapeseed, cotton seed oils I have used and it does not work half as good as EO.
I personally dont care if you believe me or not, you are only here for arguements sake and I dont have the time to bottle feed you.
I have been training for probably longer than you have been alive, your challenging me constantly is insulting as you are still wet behind the ears keyboard warrior.
Now go and fuck off, I have spent more time with you than you deserve.
What I say is easily varifyable and I wont take the time to breast feed you junior.
So in other words, you have personal anecdote and what you've heard the bros say. Top notch.
Ok, you can go back to being a tough guy now, lol.
Ok, you can go back to being a tough guy now, lol.
Ok prick here is something for you.
I am not a tough guy but you ARE an asshole...
Ethyl oleate
Ethyl oleate is a compound made by attaching an ethyl ester to an oleic acid chain.
You can find the chemical data here. http://www.chemexper.com/index.shtml.../111-62-6.html
It is very thin and almost clear at room temperature. It has a low boiling point for an oil and is flammable, so keep away from direct flame heating methods. It can flash over once it has reached it's boiling point.
Usage
Ethyl oleate is a very expensive compound and not readily available to the public. Often sold by the gram but is a lighter than water liquid, 1ml is about .87g of product.
It has a fairly high capacity as a solvent on it's own, 50mg/ml of testosterone propionate is readily dissolved with no alcohol. So as a carrier it has great potential for hard to dissolve compounds or high dose compounds.
The most cost effective use would come with mixing it 1:1 with grape seed oil in your hard to produce home brews. I would not recommend using it with something as simple as 300mg/ml test enanthate, but if you were to make a 400-500mg/ml test blend or single long ester depot it would be a requirement for a pain free shot.
Ethyl oleate also has a reported mild analgesic effect on the site of the depot.
It is a primary ingredient in Viromone Testosterone Propionate.
A simple search on Ethyl oleate is all you need to figure out what is what.
It acts like a solvent making some gear not crash in depot.
Now go back to what you do best and be an asshole....
I am not a tough guy but you ARE an asshole...
Ethyl oleate
Ethyl oleate is a compound made by attaching an ethyl ester to an oleic acid chain.
You can find the chemical data here. http://www.chemexper.com/index.shtml.../111-62-6.html
It is very thin and almost clear at room temperature. It has a low boiling point for an oil and is flammable, so keep away from direct flame heating methods. It can flash over once it has reached it's boiling point.
Usage
Ethyl oleate is a very expensive compound and not readily available to the public. Often sold by the gram but is a lighter than water liquid, 1ml is about .87g of product.
It has a fairly high capacity as a solvent on it's own, 50mg/ml of testosterone propionate is readily dissolved with no alcohol. So as a carrier it has great potential for hard to dissolve compounds or high dose compounds.
The most cost effective use would come with mixing it 1:1 with grape seed oil in your hard to produce home brews. I would not recommend using it with something as simple as 300mg/ml test enanthate, but if you were to make a 400-500mg/ml test blend or single long ester depot it would be a requirement for a pain free shot.
Ethyl oleate also has a reported mild analgesic effect on the site of the depot.
It is a primary ingredient in Viromone Testosterone Propionate.
A simple search on Ethyl oleate is all you need to figure out what is what.
It acts like a solvent making some gear not crash in depot.
Now go back to what you do best and be an asshole....
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OK, so you can cut and paste a quote from some bodybuilder who says EO has a "mild analgesic effect on the site of the depot." That's not evidence.Ok prick here is something for you.
I am not a tough guy but you ARE an asshole...
Ethyl oleate
Ethyl oleate is a compound made by attaching an ethyl ester to an oleic acid chain.
You can find the chemical data here. http://www.chemexper.com/index.shtml.../111-62-6.html
It is very thin and almost clear at room temperature. It has a low boiling point for an oil and is flammable, so keep away from direct flame heating methods. It can flash over once it has reached it's boiling point.
Usage
Ethyl oleate is a very expensive compound and not readily available to the public. Often sold by the gram but is a lighter than water liquid, 1ml is about .87g of product.
It has a fairly high capacity as a solvent on it's own, 50mg/ml of testosterone propionate is readily dissolved with no alcohol. So as a carrier it has great potential for hard to dissolve compounds or high dose compounds.
The most cost effective use would come with mixing it 1:1 with grape seed oil in your hard to produce home brews. I would not recommend using it with something as simple as 300mg/ml test enanthate, but if you were to make a 400-500mg/ml test blend or single long ester depot it would be a requirement for a pain free shot.
Ethyl oleate also has a reported mild analgesic effect on the site of the depot.
It is a primary ingredient in Viromone Testosterone Propionate.
I did a google search, a google book search, and a pubmed search for anything connecting "ethyl oleate" to "anesthetic" or "analgesic." I also did those searches for anything connecting "fatty acid ethyl ester" to "anesthetic" or "analgesic." I found absolutely nothing. There were several references in which EO was used as a vehicle for an anesthetic drug, but nothing at all that said EO has any analgesic properties.
I don't think there's any disagreement that EO acts as a solvent. I don't disagree that it can reduce pain by lowering the concentration of steroids or other potentially painful constituants like BA. It's just that more oil acts as a solvent as well.
I asked you "What are the benefits to using EO over inexpensive USP oil?" and you answered "pain." I'm pretty sure you meant to say "less pain." My point is that for cutting gear and reducing pain, there's no good evidence that EO is any better than simple sterile triglyceride oils.
EO would work better than other oils for being a solvent, when you draw it into a syrenge, it locks up the plunger, it is like it attacks the rubber.
Viramone is very hard to shoot but you can draw it easy with a 22 guage.
I think one could get away with less BA when using EO.
That in itself would lead to less pain.
Viramone which uses 100% of its carrier oil as EO, it is the only painless prop I have ever had.
Even sust which only has 30mg propionate is hard on me to shoot.
When the prop (not viramone) is cut with EO, it becomes far less painfull.
I personally dont think any other oil offers this.
This is from a guy that is pretty sharp.
Propionate ester or propionaic acid resembles bee venom so can cause some pain.
If pain from the injection volume becomes an issue, I could see how EO would have an advantage over oil, since you don't need as much for a given solvent effect. Otherwise, I still don't see an advantage.
Why's that? Are you talking about getting the gear to dissolve? Or are you saying that EO is bactericidial and that it can act as a substitute for BA?
ChaseQ
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Just trying to "inject" some humor into the situation!
EO It might reduce injection pain, IT WILL increase roid rage!
Get your EO NOW![
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You should not use the same needle twice. The issues with using the same needle are contamination of your vial and increased discomfort from the used needle. That said you can reuse the syringe it is the needle that would be replaced in a perfect world. My best advice has always been to read about syringes and needles and decide for yourself what your comfort level is. For me I always change the needle and syringe just because they are so cheap why have a problem that could have been solved for about 25 cents.
Best of luck,
Walter
henrywilson
New Member
Hi...I am very much afraid of injection and it's pain. I mostly adopt to ice rubbing on the injection spot after having an injection. You post is very useful and informative too. your reasons for pain are awesome. Up to now i used to think the injecting person is the only reason for pain. now on wards I will change my opinion. Thank for posting.
I'm currently living in a country where access to needles is very poor so I've ended up having to draw from the amps and inject using the same dart. I had always thought that the tip of the needle touching the bottom of the glass amp would blunt it and make the shots far more painful but to be honest I've noticed no difference at all 
( obviously with multi vials you have different issues )
S.B.C
Author of the SoreButtCheeks steroid blog.
( google SoreButtCheeks to find it )
( obviously with multi vials you have different issues )S.B.C
Author of the SoreButtCheeks steroid blog.
( google SoreButtCheeks to find it )
lakshacain
New Member
Cut your shots 50:50 with sterile filtered oil. If you want to use 50mg of Testosterone Propionate, and you have 100mg/mL Testosterone Propionate- pull 0.5mL of your test prop, and 0.5mL of sterile filtered oil to shoot 1mL of 50mg/mL Testosterone Propionate. This is the #1 best way.
Dont bother with b-12, its water based- absorbed so quickly it will have little to no impact.
Before you shoot, it can help to warm your gear some (especially suspensions). You could put the vial in the bathroom sink and let hot water run over the vial for 2 minutes, and shake well. This will lower the oils viscosity also making it easier it pull into the syringe.
Inject slowly, take 30 seconds per mL. Use a 25g pin to inject so it forces you to move slowly.
Dont bother with b-12, its water based- absorbed so quickly it will have little to no impact.
Before you shoot, it can help to warm your gear some (especially suspensions). You could put the vial in the bathroom sink and let hot water run over the vial for 2 minutes, and shake well. This will lower the oils viscosity also making it easier it pull into the syringe.
Inject slowly, take 30 seconds per mL. Use a 25g pin to inject so it forces you to move slowly.
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usmarine1967
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To prevent injection pain right ? Very simple, before injecting, get a wash cloth and put you a hand full of ice , or maybe a zip lock bag and put the ice in it and hold it on the injection area till its numb. Then inject. You will not feel a thing.
If your talking about the area were you give the injection is sore and red then keep a eye on it and if it gets bigger you got a infection and you need to get some antibiotics because it could get very bad and so on.
If your talking about the area were you give the injection is sore and red then keep a eye on it and if it gets bigger you got a infection and you need to get some antibiotics because it could get very bad and so on.
usmarine1967
New Member
To prevent injection pain right ? Very simple, before injecting, get a wash cloth and put you a hand full of ice , or maybe a zip lock bag and put the ice in it and hold it on the injection area till its numb. Then inject. You will not feel a thing.
If your talking about the area were you give the injection is sore and red then keep a eye on it and if it gets bigger you got a infection and you need to get some antibiotics because it could get very bad and so on.
If your talking about the area were you give the injection is sore and red then keep a eye on it and if it gets bigger you got a infection and you need to get some antibiotics because it could get very bad and so on.
I have been injecting Test enan for the last year. No issues until about 2 months ago. Injection site would get a "lump" or "knot" after about 12 hours, and it would be sore, and stay that way for about 4-5 days, and the fade away.
It was suggested that I use cottonseed oil to cut it. Then I read this sticky.
I have a couple questions, please, if someone could answer.
I see where it says to use sterile cutting oil, and talks about cottonseed, grapeseed, etc. The "only" oils I see that are cottonseed and grapeseed, are cooking oils. Is this what is used to cut it? Is one better than the other, because I can only find grapeseed locally, IF cooking oils are the correct thing to use.
2nd question: I read the part about using Benzyl Benzoate. Would my situation call for that? If so, where do I attain this Benzyl Benzoate?
Thanks for any advice you can give.
It was suggested that I use cottonseed oil to cut it. Then I read this sticky.
I have a couple questions, please, if someone could answer.
I see where it says to use sterile cutting oil, and talks about cottonseed, grapeseed, etc. The "only" oils I see that are cottonseed and grapeseed, are cooking oils. Is this what is used to cut it? Is one better than the other, because I can only find grapeseed locally, IF cooking oils are the correct thing to use.
2nd question: I read the part about using Benzyl Benzoate. Would my situation call for that? If so, where do I attain this Benzyl Benzoate?
Thanks for any advice you can give.
