HYB (Best Service and Product - International Shipping)

[Ghoul]

Yura offered to credit the difference between the two products on my next order. In this instance and situation that seems like a fair resolution to me. Thanks Yura.

The most important thing is to see how this is handled and what changes there will be going forward. After going silent for a minute (the information vacuum only makes things much worse) I think yura is facing the music and handling it properly now.

None of this should be allowed to be swept under the rug like it never happened.

There’s also no value in exaggerating the issues.

Like it or not, sooner or later, every UGL vendor, without exception, has some fuckup.

So far I see issues isolated to a supplier that crashed and burned. Undosed* GH, and a different GLP or grossly overdosed R10.

QSC reborn is even pushing untested batches out, but discloses the fact and sells at a discount until results come in. That seems reasonable to me. A buyer can choose to wait or not.

Clear disclosure a batch is untested, and a lower price for those who are willing to accept the risk.

What’s not acceptable is being sold one product, which you can safely assume was chosen by the customer looking at testing and/or user feedback, and having it swapped for another, without giving the buyer a choice.

 

[keepbashing]

For everyone to know .
I ask jano If he can say whats in the vial .
Here the response .

Nice. Maximum harm reduction!

 

[RoidyNoob]

If the sample is sent direct from HYB to jano , how could we know that they sent a "good" sample to jano and a "bad" products to customers?
So i get the product direct from HYB .
And then i sent it direct to jano .

right, and seems pretty obvious you've got nothing to gain from all this. Anyhow HYB is not directly to be blamed (obviously), its the chemist shitbag, however HYB should be testing monthly their batches. Ive ordered twice from these guys wanting to build a relation with them for a reseller in the EU wanting to buy about 5k worth monthly but now Im backing away. Sucks. At least theyre compensating you guys in the meantime. Good thing you started this. Might trigger more seriousness on their behalf.

 

[BP_6]

For everyone to know .
I ask jano If he can say whats in the vial .
Here the response .

Just 100% fillers? Haven't seen that in a while. That is like what you would do if you were running a study and needed a placebo. I don't see how that would happen at the manufacture level in the current era even in the UG market. Unless it was intentional or a major fuck up.

That all being said, it was likely the manufacturer that HYB bought it from vs HYB themselves. HYB though still is the one that sold it so they have to take full responsibility for the problem.

The reta making people sick though is a much worse thing. I can tell you that taking too much of a GLP-1 of any type before you have adjusted is absolutely awful. The symptoms described are what you would expect. It basically feels like a horrible case of food poisoning, almost like you are dying.

 

[CharlesV]

None of this should be allowed to be swept under the rug like it never happened.

the way this picked up steam, they have to face it head on.

it’ll be interesting to see if the trash peptides are limited to just the GH and Reta mentioned recently. their CN shipping is so slow, there are 3-4 weeks worth of other shipments from that lab out there waiting to land.

…i should say, “so slow” compared to other 3 letter CN labs in recent years.

 

[Ghoul]

the way this picked up steam, they have to face it head on.

it’ll be interesting to see if the trash peptides are limited to just the GH and Reta mentioned recently. their CN shipping is so slow, there are 3-4 weeks worth of other shipments from that lab out there waiting to land.

…i should say, “so slow” compared to other 3 letter CN labs in recent years.

It also started to spin in some unhelpful directions, like turning what I’m confident is “wrong / overdosed” product in a vial into a “endotoxin poisoning scandal”. And if you’ve been here long enough, you know I’m a filtering crusader in part because I believe we’re being chronically exposed to excess endotoxin (and bacteria), at levels that don’t induce obvious symptoms, and the harms those can cause over the long term are unappreciated.

When QSC fell, SSA, a distant 2nd at that time, had some pretty crappy practices, poor pricing, QA, communication and shipping, and got even worse when they were flooded with tons business all of a sudden.

With sharp feedback from this community, they got much better within a few months. It wasn’t even clear who would become the “new QSC” with a few contenders at the time. SSA succeeded.

I see the same problems at HYB/WWV/GGB happening after SSAs customers rushed to them.

We’ll have to see which of them listens to us and responds in the right way. I don’t think all 3 will, and only one is likely to wake up, improve, rise above the others, and be rewarded as the new “QSC/SSA” #1 default most business gravitates to.

 

[CharlesV]

And if you’ve been here long enough, you know I’m a filtering crusader…

indeed. it’s a good fight.

I see the same problems at HYB/WWV/GGB happening after SSAs customers rushed to them.

agreed. after SSA’s 9/11, there was no doubt HYB got completed overwhelmed with orders. not going to absolve them of guilt, but i could see them cutting corners to take advantage of their opportunity.

hopefully they’ll step it up a little. i know a big chunk of their business is the STG soccer mom community, who’ll just move on to the next source on their spreadsheet.

 

[beorn777]

Has anyone seen testing from the H36 Black tops or H24 White tops? I haven't found anything, I'll probably switch to domestic again just figured I'd try the cheaper oh well.

 

[Ghoul]

Has anyone seen testing from the H36 Black tops or H24 White tops? I haven't found anything, I'll probably switch to domestic again just figured I'd try the cheaper oh well.

Just remember it’s all Chinese. Domestic GH just gives a little reassurance it’s probably been tested. But since that’s no guarantee of what you’ve got in hand, you’d probably come out ahead vs the domestic seller premium by ordering a few kits from a Chinese vendor, or going in with a buddy or two, and getting it tested yourself tbh.

 

[madcap71]

Test reports for every batch should be the norm now after this. Not hopeful it will be but I would not buy anything from a source that can't provide testing now

 

[Jpxxx]

Just remember it’s all Chinese. Domestic GH just gives a little reassurance it’s probably been tested. But since that’s no guarantee of what you’ve got in hand, you’d probably come out ahead vs the domestic seller premium by ordering a few kits from a Chinese vendor, or going in with a buddy or two, and getting it tested yourself tbh.

In canada there's a few trusted resellers that test every batch and id 100% rather pay more for it than untested, untrusted Chinese source that doesn't offer reship either

 

[Ghoul]

In canada there's a few trusted resellers that test every batch and id 100% rather pay more for it than untested, untrusted Chinese source that doesn't offer reship either

Yeah no reship is no bueno period.

 

[beorn777]

Just remember it’s all Chinese. Domestic GH just gives a little reassurance it’s probably been tested. But since that’s no guarantee of what you’ve got in hand, you’d probably come out ahead vs the domestic seller premium by ordering a few kits from a Chinese vendor, or going in with a buddy or two, and getting it tested yourself tbh.

Thats true, ive got some trusted sources who do a lot of testing

 

[MrTexas2]

Just 100% fillers? Haven't seen that in a while. That is like what you would do if you were running a study and needed a placebo. I don't see how that would happen at the manufacture level in the current era even in the UG market. Unless it was intentional or a major fuck up.

That all being said, it was likely the manufacturer that HYB bought it from vs HYB themselves. HYB though still is the one that sold it so they have to take full responsibility for the problem.

The reta making people sick though is a much worse thing. I can tell you that taking too much of a GLP-1 of any type before you have adjusted is absolutely awful. The symptoms described are what you would expect. It basically feels like a horrible case of food poisoning, almost like you are dying.

Exactly. Something like this (getting sick from a product) will absolutely 100% ruin your reputation (as it should). You could make the best oils, have the best HGH and someone getting sick from a GLP-1 you hooked them up with will undo everything.

I know that testing is the key, and this may seem like a dumb question, but has anyone had an adverse reaction to the Tirzepatide 10 and 15 mg kits? I am going to personally sample mine, but have not had the chance yet, and would like to hear from anyone who has.

 

[aromatizer]

We take this matter very seriously and have immediately implemented the following corrective measures: We will urgently test the products currently on sale.

nice of you not to bother testing your shit till someone ends up in hospital.

 

[MrTexas2]

It also started to spin in some unhelpful directions, like turning what I’m confident is “wrong / overdosed” product in a vial into a “endotoxin poisoning scandal”. And if you’ve been here long enough, you know I’m a filtering crusader in part because I believe we’re being chronically exposed to excess endotoxin (and bacteria), at levels that don’t induce obvious symptoms, and the harms those can cause over the long term are unappreciated.

When QSC fell, SSA, a distant 2nd at that time, had some pretty crappy practices, poor pricing, QA, communication and shipping, and got even worse when they were flooded with tons business all of a sudden.

With sharp feedback from this community, they got much better within a few months. It wasn’t even clear who would become the “new QSC” with a few contenders at the time. SSA succeeded.

I see the same problems at HYB/WWV/GGB happening after SSAs customers rushed to them.

We’ll have to see which of them listens to us and responds in the right way. I don’t think all 3 will, and only one is likely to wake up, improve, rise above the others, and be rewarded as the new “QSC/SSA” #1 default most business gravitates to.

I am sorry, but if you need to filter a finished product it should never have been on the market in the first place.

 

[aromatizer]

The Tirza kits are OK, yes? The problem was only 36 iu GH and Reta, yes?

chicom roulette baby!

 

[Ghoul]

I am sorry, but if you need to filter a finished product it should never have been on the market in the first place.

How do you decide something UGL sourced is safe to inject?

 

[MrTexas2]

How do you decide something UGL sourced is safe to inject?

Simple. Jano reports, meso member feedback. If reports are off and people are claiming that a product is cloudy or causes other problems.

Although it is after the fact, I also test it myself before I let any out of my hands.

 

[Ghoul]

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Simple. Jano reports, meso member feedback. If reports are off and people are claiming that a product is cloudy or causes other problems.

Although it is after the fact, I also test it myself before I let any out of my hands.

Let’s say you want to ensure your tap water is safe to drink.

You send a sample for analysis.

The lab runs it through a filter fine enough to remove particles smaller than bacteria.

The test results declare the water is pure and contaminant free.

Does that mean your tap water is safe to drink?

Jano’s testing is performed after the sample is filtered with a .22um syringe filter first.

You’re only injecting what you see in the test results if you do the same.