I really like Modafinil - even at low doses

[bigMoJo]

I picked up both Armo & Moda (Thank you @Ghoul) . Started with Moda 100mg when I was sick (stomach virus)... fell asleep every couple of hours for 1-3 hours (didn't feel much). When healthy, tried 100mg Moda again... very potent and lasted 12 hrs. I felt that was too "strong" for me. Have since been taking Moda 50mg daily, and that is "effective," but I plan to increase slightly as I get used to it.

On 50mg Moda, I drink coffee like I always have, about 6-8 cups throughout the day (just for reference, I can drink 20oz coffee before bed and knock out).

 

[NotHuman]

Had a few drinks last night and probably slept about 30-60 mins less than I usually do, so I took 100mg this morning. I wouldn’t use it daily but one in a while, I’ll take it under these types of circumstances where I might have underslept.

 

[Ghoul]

Had a few drinks last night and probably slept about 30-60 mins less than I usually do, so I took 100mg this morning. I wouldn’t use it daily but one in a while, I’ll take it under these types of circumstances where I might have underslept.

I think it's got other benefits that accumulate over long periods of continuous use, that are well supported in the scientific evidence, but what you're describing is certainly a use case it's excellent for, and superior to the alternatives from amphetamines to excessive caffeine.

Apparently the worlds's militaries agree...

https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/how-fighter-pilots-stay-sharp-20131205

 

[Jron]

150mg is test cyp week cruise, 100mg caffeine pill, and 100mg moda seems to work great for me. I’ll jog a hour on caffeine moda combo just fine too.

Just watch your systolic blood pressure on moda. It seems to spike mine up abit. But adderall or Ritalin would be way worse. Moda is definitely fairly safe as far as I can tell. Been using it months now. Anyone have any nasty withdraws from coming off of it?

 

[Ghoul]

150mg is test cyp week cruise, 100mg caffeine pill, and 100mg moda seems to work great for me. I’ll jog a hour on caffeine moda combo just fine too.

Just watch your systolic blood pressure on moda. It seems to spike mine up abit. But adderall or Ritalin would be way worse. Moda is definitely fairly safe as far as I can tell. Been using it months now. Anyone have any nasty withdraws from coming off of it?

No, it doesn't have any withdrawal symptoms. Out of tens of millions of users over decades, you can count the number of reported problem resembling anything like substance abuse on one hand. A couple of people using it to stay up around the clock for days at a time, developing sleep depravation psychosis. A few cases of mega dosing, weird suicide attempts, resulting in insomnia. No deaths or injuries.

There is a very, very rare rash that can develop from an allergic reaction, which is potentially life threatening if it gets severe enough and goes untreated, though I'm not aware of anyone dying from it. You'd know pretty quickly, it happens after the first dose.

 

[PiscesMoon]

When they crack down on india pharms, they get a real hardon for modafinil and armodafinil. and it can be damn near impossible to get through, so make hay while the sun shines.

Does there seem to be any mercy with Modafinil passing through customs depending on the amount per international order? Like a tiny order vs double digits amount of strips.

Curious if anyone has recent experience with that.

 

[sinistral]

Does there seem to be any mercy with Modafinil passing through customs depending on the amount per international order? Like a tiny order vs double digits amount of strips.

Curious if anyone has recent experience with that.

I just ordered 80 total strips and it zipped right through customs.

 

[JustMe18]

Does there seem to be any mercy with Modafinil passing through customs depending on the amount per international order? Like a tiny order vs double digits amount of strips.

Curious if anyone has recent experience with that.

I’ve had 20 strips of 10 come through no problem. Have 12 blister packs otw as of now. Just depends if they get suspicious. The trouble comes in when they hear pills rattling around. Used to get some cialis from India. Came in a box and a sheet of two of tissue paper. That got seized.

 

[Ghoul]

Does there seem to be any mercy with Modafinil passing through customs depending on the amount per international order? Like a tiny order vs double digits amount of strips.

Curious if anyone has recent experience with that.

When they find it, they're seizing it.

They'll let other meds through, but not Modafinil. It's a scheduled drug.

The way it gets through is when they don't open the box.

Right now, the "new" shipping method from UAE gets a lot less attention than packs from India, but they made that switch for very good reason. Tons of India packs were
getting inspected and seized.

Eventually, customs will catch on and UAE packs will get the same treatment I'm sure. Don't count on Moda getting through easily like it does now lasting for long.

 

[PiscesMoon]

Thank you for sharing @sinistral @JustMe18 and @Ghoul Glad to hear of all the recent success

I have wished to grab a strip or two to see how it feels these days, but rather not risk losing the order. Maybe I have been too timid..

...But also I am a well behaved citizen and just haven't crossed the scheduled line. Yet. Good reminder about that difference.

 

[Ghoul]

Thank you for sharing @sinistral @JustMe18 and @Ghoul Glad to hear of all the recent success

I have wished to grab a strip or two to see how it feels these days, but rather not risk losing the order. Maybe I have been too timid..

Just do it. All the PCT vendors offer free reships and honor that.

Otherwise you'll find yourself either unable to get it, or paying a high price from a truly shady domestic seller.

Don't let any grass grow under your feet. There is no reason to believe things will ever be easier than they are now. I suspect it's going to get much, much worse in the very near future.

 

[17SS]

Just do it. All the PCT vendors offer free reships and honor that.

Otherwise you'll find yourself either unable to get it, or paying a high price from a truly shady domestic seller.

Don't let any grass grow under your feet. There is no reason to believe things will ever be easier than they are now. I suspect it's going to get much, much worse in the very near future.

Or paying for a doctor’s visit every 3 months for a refill as long as you qualify.

 

[Ghoul]

Or paying for a doctor’s visit every 3 months for a refill as long as you qualify.

In my experience some docs treat it like you're asking for some dangerous drug.

It's crazy. Amphetamine? No problem. Modafinil? "We'll have to watch this closely. You'll need a urineanalysis before each refill. "

Caffeine pills at Walmart are demonstrably more dangerous.

In Mexico, it's over the counter. In Japan and Russia, it's like getting caught with heroin.

 

[17SS]

In my experience some docs treat it like you're asking for some dangerous drug.

It's crazy. Amphetamine? No problem. Modafinil? "We'll have to watch this closely. You'll need a urineanalysis before each refill. "

Caffeine pills at Walmart are demonstrably more dangerous.

In Mexico, it's over the counter. In Japan and Russia, it's like getting caught with heroin.

Yeah, the nurse said well this is a controlled substance. I told her she was more strict on a schedule 4 than my schedule 3 prescriptions.

I have a much greater response to caffeine or phentermine. I really don’t see why it’s controlled.

 

[ineffectual]

Just do it. All the PCT vendors offer free reships and honor that.

Otherwise you'll find yourself either unable to get it, or paying a high price from a truly shady domestic seller.

Don't let any grass grow under your feet. There is no reason to believe things will ever be easier than they are now. I suspect it's going to get much, much worse in the very near future.

If they really love it and things get really difficult, they will always wish they bought more

 

[Ghoul]

If they really love it and things get really difficult, they will always wish they bought more

Certainly at current prices, specifically for Modawake and Artvigil they will. You can literally get a year's worth of either, for daily use, for under $100. If money's not a concern, Modalert and Waklert would be around $250 each.

 

[NotHuman]

I think it's got other benefits that accumulate over long periods of continuous use, that are well supported in the scientific evidence, but what you're describing is certainly a use case it's excellent for, and superior to the alternatives from amphetamines to excessive caffeine.

Apparently the worlds's militaries agree...

https://www.mensjournal.com/food-drink/how-fighter-pilots-stay-sharp-20131205

I am aware there could be positive long term benefits, but anything that causes an increase in blood pressure (and heart rate) is not something I think I’d want to use every day. It also seems to lose potency for me if I take it too frequently. Most benefits seem to be shown in cases of inadequate sleep and epilepsy.

I think there needs to be more research on long term use before we make any definitive statements about the risk/rewards.

 

[Ghoul]

I am aware there could be positive long term benefits, but anything that causes an increase in blood pressure (and heart rate) is not something I think I’d want to use every day. It also seems to lose potency for me if I take it too frequently. Most benefits seem to be shown in cases of inadequate sleep and epilepsy.

I think there needs to be more research on long term use before we make any definitive statements about the risk/rewards.

We have 30 years of research and clinical evidence. There's a mountain of proof regarding its safety.

"Tolerance" develops in the first 4-6 weeks of use as the body ramps up the enzymes that metabolize it, but the limit of that quickly peaks, and efficacy no longer goes down after that point. That's why there's usually one increase in dosage, and then it's stable.

I'm a huge advocate for BP control as the single most important factor in longevity and preventing the development of problems in nearly every organ from the kidneys to the brain. This means nearly everyone should be on some sort of BP med, which we have a myriad of choices from which to choose, and I'm nearly certain there's a low dose combo (the preferred method) that provides ideal BP with no sides and essentially, nothing but benefits for everyone over 120/70.

My BP was the ideal 120/70 before Moda, and stayed there after. HR rose a bit, but well within the healthy range.

This is hardly a new discovery, it's immediate predecessor started being prescribed in 1983, so we're really looking at 50 years for any issues to develop, and there simply haven't been any. When we look at the MRIs of long term users, we see increased white brain matter, very likely the result of neurogenesis enhanced by Moda.

This is in contrast to newer nootropics, like FLodafinil, the fluorine enhanced "legal" modafinil which have me concerned and I advise it be avoided.

 

[NotHuman]

We have 30 years of research and clinical evidence. There's a mountain of proof regarding its safety.

"Tolerance" develops in the first 4-6 weeks of use as the body ramps up the enzymes that metabolize it, but the limit of that quickly peaks, and efficacy no longer goes down after that point. That's why there's usually one increase in dosage, and then it's stable.

I'm a huge advocate for BP control as the single most important factor in longevity and preventing the development of problems in nearly every organ from the kidneys to the brain. This means nearly everyone should be on some sort of BP med, which we have a myriad of choices from which to choose, and I'm nearly certain there's a low dose combo (the preferred method) that provides ideal BP with no sides and essentially, nothing but benefits for everyone over 120/70.

My BP was the ideal 120/70 before Moda, and stayed there after. HR rose a bit, but well within the healthy range.

This is hardly a new discovery, it's immediate predecessor started being prescribed in 1983, so we're really looking at 50 years for any issues to develop, and there simply haven't been any. When we look at the MRIs of long term users, we see increased white brain matter, very likely the result of neurogenesis enhanced by Moda.

This is in contrast to newer nootropics, like FLodafinil, the fluorine enhanced "legal" modafinil which have me concerned and I advise it be avoided.

I’m not saying Modafiil is a dangerous drug. Chances are it probably can be done safely if used reasonably and blood pressure remains in check, and people are still able to sleep normally on it (we know it can impair sleep so it must be taken early in the day).

I looked a bit more into the literature after your reply. You were right about these being pretty impressive for brain health. I only saw one study (in diabetic rats) where Modafinil use seemed a little iffy, but I am going to take that with a grain of salt due to who was studied.

Yes it has been researched for a long time, but I still would like to see multiple years long studies in healthy people. Perhaps I missed one?

I am pro Modafinil overall.

 

[Ghoul]

I’m not saying Modafiil is a dangerous drug. Chances are it probably can be done safely if used reasonably and blood pressure remains in check, and people are still able to sleep normally on it (we know it can impair sleep so it must be taken early in the day).

I looked a bit more into the literature after your reply. You were right about these being pretty impressive for brain health. I only saw one study (in diabetic rats) where Modafinil use seemed a little iffy, but I am going to take that with a grain of salt due to who was studied.

Yes it has been researched for a long time, but I still would like to see multiple years long studies in healthy people. Perhaps I missed one?

I am pro Modafinil overall.

This is where we have a conundrum similar to GLPs. "These benefits only apply to the obese, or diabetics.".

There is significant evidence suggesting benefits for "healthy" people using either Moda or GLPs, however, the ethics review for medical research required for approval of studies doesn't allow for long term experimentation in those without a "problem" that's supposed to be the target of the research. So we see a benefit, like white matter increasing after long term use "in narcolepsy" sufferers, and "stroke victims with fatigue", and the temptation is to dismiss these effects as being limited to those groups (which is always possible of course), but when you dig into the mechanism of action, it's not really anything to do with those conditions, and could very well apply to everyone, but modern research methods simply doesn't accommodate experimentation for "enhancement" purposes, only for treating illness.

There's a drug called "dalfampridine" that's showing the ability to boost "working memory", a major element of cognition closely associated with success and accomplishment, significantly, in healthy people. It's a drug for multiple sclerosis, and TLDR, improves the "electrical insulation" around nerves to prevent signals from "leaking" and therefore work more efficiently. It appears quite safe, with the major risk being making nerves too efficient, inducing tremors at too high of a dose.

It sounds like it's potentially an amazing physical and cognitive performance enhancer. Yet, studies on healthy people have been limited to 3 days. I'm eager to get my hands on some from India pharma.