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Is armoda supposed to be taken more than once per day?
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Trenbolonetax
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Definitely not. Speaking from experience, it's the absolute first thing I take when I wake up AM.
The reason he's talking about multiple doses of 50mg is because he has spoken about how 3 50mg armoda work quicker than 1 150mg armoda. Also, from a dose titration standpoint based on the type of day you know you have ahead of you. E.g., do I need 50, 100, or 150mg of armoda today?
Thanks @Zeus088, Ive seen the posts where @Ghoul mentions the differences and pretty sure I noticed some myself, but I cant work out whats causing it as the ingredients don't state a change. In one post he mentions the difference with one being slow and one fast acting, so maybe the difference in modaheal and modavigil just the ratios of these or is there something else?
TBH theres no great need for me TO know, but it would be nice
TBH theres no great need for me TO know, but it would be nice
Ghoul
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The difference is in pharmacokinetics. How much, and how quickly the active ingredient is absorbed.
This is dependent on the formulation of the other non-active ingredients (excipients), and the physical manufacturing process of the tablet.
Let me preface this by saying I've never seen evidence of "bunk" Moda. The active ingredient is very cheap. About a penny per tablet. The "bunk" paranoia goes back to the days when it was closer to $5 per tablet. Every lab test I've seen shows around 200mg of Modafinil is present.
The primary difference between Moda tabs comes from whether or not, and how well, one step of the manufacturing process is performed.
The grinding and sifting of the active ingredient into relatively uniform, microscopic particles.
This is not like grinding and sifting flour, but a very complex process working at a level that can only be checked by electron microscope.
When the pharma manufacturer receives the active ingredient (which I believe is mostly made in Korea and Japan), the particles vary widely in size. Larger particles are not absorbed as quickly, or at all.
In this chart, you can see one sample of Moda absorbs quickly, hits maximum blood concentration early, and stays there. .
The other samples absorb more slowly, never reach the same peak, and drop off sooner.
So despite all being the same dosage, each of the tablet formulations are experienced differently by the user.
Sun is part of a multibillion dollar pharma conglomerate, and has access to the equipment and expertise to ensure consistency from batch to batch, regardless of how the active ingredient comes in. It's processed into a uniform size.
HAB is next best.
The rest of the manufacturers will produce different results based on how the raw material comes in. Some batches have lots of poorly absorbed large particles, others have. high proportion of small particles, so its luck of the draw and lots of variation from one tab to another.
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Ghoul
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No, neither Modafinil or Armodafinil is supposed to be taken more than once a day. After lots of experimentation, that's just not a good idea generally. Take as early as possible. If you need it to last longer, take a larger dose.
I'd only take it a second time in a situation where I needed to stay awake no matter what, like preventing falling asleep on a long drive that went longer than planned.
sinistral
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I just got my hands on some Velmoda 200mg. It seems it is from Sun Pharma. Anyone tried this brand? Is it any good?
Ghoul
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Sun Pharma is a top tier generics producer. One of the main suppliers of generics to the US and Europe.
Ghoul
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What makes you think it's from Sun though? I see it's from Fortune Healthcare.
sinistral
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Oh, I just did a quick search. My default search engine is brave.
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But yeah, I can see the "Fortune Healthcare" on the packs now. It's tough to read.
How's Fortune Healthcare for quality?
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But yeah, I can see the "Fortune Healthcare" on the packs now. It's tough to read.
How's Fortune Healthcare for quality?
Ghoul
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Oh, I just did a quick search. My default search engine is brave.
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But yeah, I can see the "Fortune Healthcare" on the packs now. It's tough to read.
How's Fortune Healthcare for quality?
It's at the bottom of the value end of the spectrum. Mostly a "dick pills for export" company. Not saying it's fake, but quality probably varies widely from batch to batch.
As long as it was really cheap, it could be a decent deal.
What is the "RRP price" on the strip?
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Ghoul
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Was just curious. Anyway, as long as it was cheap and you weren't charged Sun prices it's probobly fine.
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What does the RRP price mean?
Ghoul
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Retail price in indian rupees. Doesn't mean much, I was just curious. How much was it?
sinistral
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$1.40 per pill.
I bought 30 from another source because 1. it was labeled as "provigil" and 2. thinking it would arrive earlier than my Modalert. It was not and did not.
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Danielbolee
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sorry to tag you in an older post just curious to hear your thoughts. I thought what you had to say about modalert being superior because of the method of production was really insightful and I was going to pull the trigger on it but I ran across posts about how modalert went from USP grade to IP within the last several years and anecdotally people are saying IP should be avoided when you can get USP? So I was just wondering if I could get your thoughts on whether it makes sense to still opt for modalert even if it’s not USP verses a inferior generic that’s either USP or still IP but significantly cheaper.
Ghoul
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I've seen this argument (on the Reddit modafinil boards).
Most of those idiots don't know what a "pharmacopeia" even is,
TLDR. The US and Indian pharmacopeia entries for Modafinil are identical.
Some unscrupulous garbage brands of Moda caught on to this, ie Orange City (Modasafe) and put "USP" on their packaging, which makes them ineligible for sale in India, export only, and likely doesn't adhere to any standard since IP labeled products are subject to inspection by the India. equivalent of the FDA.
Danielbolee
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Ah I see thank you. So in your opinion the extra cost for modalert is still warranted correct? Have you personally tried the IP and USP variants of modalert? It’s really strange to me that if there’s negligible differences that so many people would claim to feel a stark contrast between them on the forums
Ghoul
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The pharmacopeia entry for Modafinil is *exactly the same* for IP and USP. India simply copied the USP entry, so the pharmaceutical standard is the same for both.
As far as the strident insistence by those morons that there's a difference (that they can't point to), they also insist there are countless instances of "bunk" modafinil on the market.
There are dozens of lab tests of various brands and batches of Modafinil, including many posted here. Find ONE showing a "bunk" Moda tablet, You won't even find a significantly underdosed tablet .
That's how credible those fools are. They are harkening back to times when a single tablet contained $1+ of active ingredient, incentivizing fraud. Today, the active ingredient costs around a penny, The fantasy of "bunk" Moda is nonsense. This is a subtle compound, and it's easy to convince yourself it's not working, especially if you're coming off Adderall.
Now all of that said, Sun, being part of a major pharma conglomerate, have the resources necessary to make consistant batches using the best practices. In this case, manifesting itself as grinding and sifting the active ingredient, which I posted about earlier. This affects "bioavailability". They also "press" hard, shiny, tablets to the same high standards as any major western pharma company, though this isn't a significant reason to choose them.
As far as "worth it". At current PCT supplier prices of damn near $10 / strip, perhaps if you're only buying a strip or two. You can be sure you'll be getting the equivalent of Moda you'd get in a US pharmacy.
I have a prescription and "legit" USP moda from the pharmacy. Sun is as good, perhaps better because those aluminum foil packs preserve the tablets better than the loose bulk packaging in the US,
However, HAB, particularly their lesser known "Modawake" brand has impressed me. I may even prefer it to Modalert, and it's at the opposite end of the price spectrum, ie, the very bottom, around $2/strip, and Modafinil's greatest benefits really only manifest with long term, consistant use. $75 for a year's daily supply is a bargain.
Let me add one more thing. Don't let any grass grow under your feet. IMO if this is a compound that has a place in your life, stock up now, while it's still possible. For Europeans, and even Canadians, it's extremely difficult if not impossible, at any reasonable price. There's currently a window of opportunity, and were I not well stocked, I'd definately be getting 50 strips at a time. The practical shelf life appears to be a decade or more, thanks to the great Indian aluminum, light proof, moisture proof, oxygen proof packaging.
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Danielbolee
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Amazing thank you so much for the quality info. I’m leaning heavily towards HAB now since like you said it’s much much cheaper. Does HAB have access to the same crystallization method that sunrise does? Also do you have any recommendations for how to pursue obtaining a modafinil script in the US? I’m currently prescribed adderall xr at 15mg but I know how things eventually go with the amphetamines and I really want to make the switch assuming I respond well to modafinil. Thanks again!
