I really like Modafinil - even at low doses

[Ghoul]

Thanks you so much.

It’s really amazing how a forum can actually explain and make you learn things.

Going to look after that. Not familiar with Amrodafinil, so going to make some research on that. Thanks !

Modafinil is a mix of 50/50 S-modafinil and R-Modafinil.

S is the fast acting, shorter lasting compound. R is the slower acting, longer lasting compound.

R is also slightly stronger than S.

Armodafinil is just the R (hence the name, a"R"modafinil).

There are some small differences in effect and which part of the brain it enhances, but they're very close.

Experienced users often take a Modafinil base, so it takes effect quickly, and add some armodafinil to ensure wakefulness lasts as long as they need it. Like 100mg moda and 50mg armodafinil, for instance.

But first you need to experience how it works for you. If you take Xmg of Moda at 7AM and you're dragging by 5PM you'd adjust your dose to last a few more hours.

Still, it will be stronger than usual for the first few weeks until your metabolism of it stabilizes, so it takes time to figure out where you're at.

 

[JustMe18]

Modafinil is a mix of 50/50 S-modafinil and R-Modafinil.

S is the fast acting, shorter lasting compound. R is the slower acting, longer lasting compound.

R is also slightly stronger than S.

Armodafinil is just the R (hence the name, a"R"modafinil).

There are some small differences in effect and which part of the brain it enhances, but they're very close.

Experienced users often take a Modafinil base, so it takes effect quickly, and add some armodafinil to ensure wakefulness lasts as long as they need it. Like 100mg moda and 50mg armodafinil, for instance.

But first you need to experience how it works for you. If you take Xmg of Moda at 7AM and you're dragging by 5PM you'd adjust your dose to last a few more hours.

Still, it will be stronger than usual for the first few weeks until your metabolism of it stabilizes, so it takes time to figure out where you're at.

I have some Artvigil 250. It is definitely strong and works. I would like to drop my dosage and use 50mg armo/ 100mg moda. I haven’t found a brand of moda that I haven’t had to take more than 200mg of however. When I first started using moda, I was able to take one and be just fine. That was the Sun Pharma which is IP. The next time I ordered from same vendor I was disappointed, since I had to take more than I wanted in order to achieve desired effect, plus It seemed to make me extremely sleepy. I know you have stated there is no HPLC tests regarding bad batches. Possibly my body reacted to it negatively after using the first batch. Is there a brand of moda that is domestic (if possible) that you seem to have success with? I’ve used a couple after ModaLert, such as ModaFeel IP and Modafinil MD’s sublingual 100 mg. I didn’t try using less armo or any armo with those brands though.

 

[rebornmuscles]

Hello Meso
I really enjoy Modafinil. Clean energy and wakefulness. No sides. A bit hard to get in my part of the world. So I am a bit sparesome with it. Just tried 25mg. Worked well. 50mg did too.
Is the normal 100-300mg dose overkill, if you are just looking for a boost, and don’t have any medical conditions?
What are your experiences?

For me I used 50mg as first thing in the morning and works well for concentration/motivation

Upper that dosage my body didn't like it more sides than good effect so my good dosage still 50mg

I used it since I get up because if I take it later I can't sleep at night and will work all night long on computer to become a zombie

Some supplement that help me to sleep better in combination with modafilnil was melatonin at 3mg just before bed-time, seems you have a fast deeper sleep that's good for recovery

 

[Zeus088]

Suggest you research this elsewhere, it's clear most of the people here don't know wtf they're talking about regarding Moda.

I love Modafinil as well, and have used just about every stim out there. Very long lasting, clean, no jitters, no tolerance, no addiction, no crash. It's not even a stimulant, but a "wakefulness agent". Stimulants "borrow" energy from the future, even caffeine, Modafinil doesn't.

After an initial period of a couple weeks, any minor sides typically disappear. You must take it no later than 10AM to avoid sleep interference. It's not that you can't sleep on Moda, but it will prevent you from entering REM, so you won't be as well rested the next day. That's why you hear some of the clowns here talking about insomnia and becoming emotionless. It's a side effect of REM depravation because they're not using it correctly.

There's a huge variation between brands, Modalert is the best. The reason is pretty interesting. While synthesizing the chemical is fairly straightforward, Teva's Provigil, the original, uses a proprietary crystallization process that makes the drug 80% more bioavailable than "formless" amorphous type most of the generic manufacturers make. Sun Pharma, manufacturers of Modalert, is the only generic maker that licensed this process from Teva. So the experience with Modalert is significantly different than other brands. The others often have unpredictable effects that at best make it seem like it's doing nothing, to at worst headaches and generally feeling like shit.

Quality Moda is like designer caffeine. One pill that gives you a jitterless boost for 12 hours with no crash, day after day without having to increase the dose. In quantities of a few hundred it's 75¢ a tab, a fraction of a cup of coffee.

On top of all this, long term Moda users consume 30% fewer calories on average than non users. I often stack this with Clen and GW50516, almost effortlessly shedding 2-3 pounds of fat a week.

Don't listen to the naysayers, just pick up some Modalert 200, use it daily for a couple of weeks, and draw your own conclusions.

PS: If you're coming off that horrible adderall garbage, you need to be at least a month clean, because you need to be closer to baseline dopamine levels or the lingering effects of amphetamine induced dopamine depletion will interfere with the way Moda works.

One thing I’ve learned since joining this forum is I look for your posts. You gave me recommendations on BP and cholesterol meds, where to find them, and I would tell any new member to get your feedback before taking into account random one off experiences from individuals on here. Thanks for providing solid information backed with science. I’ve been experiencing a lot of fatigue lately and was looking for an option outside of adderall, so this is where I came to find some answers. PCT Zone is a great spot to find these types of ancillaries! Ty sir

 

[Ghoul]

One thing I’ve learned since joining this forum is I look for your posts. You gave me recommendations on BP and cholesterol meds, where to find them, and I would tell any new member to get your feedback before taking into account random one off experiences from individuals on here. Thanks for providing solid information backed with science. I’ve been experiencing a lot of fatigue lately and was looking for an option outside of adderall, so this is where I came to find some answers. PCT Zone is a great spot to find these types of ancillaries! Ty sir

Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'm always updating my knowledge, particularly important in the areas we're dealing with.

We're a bunch of Magellans out here

PS: If you use PCTZOne be sure to get PCT24x7s pricelist, at CosmicPCT and have him price match. Those two are quite a bit cheaper. A year's supply of Daily Moda should cost under $150.

 

[Zeus088]

Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'm always updating my knowledge, particularly important in the areas we're dealing with.

We're a bunch of Magellans out here

PS: If you use PCTZOne be sure to get PCT24x7s pricelist, at CosmicPCT and have him price match. Those two are quite a bit cheaper. A year's supply of Daily Moda should cost under $150.

Nice, since your last post I actually had them email me their list and ordered from them! Extremely good pricing.

 

[DugPrime]

One more thing if some guys have trouble sleeping , a great fix is to grab some cheap clonidine or catapress, this will antagonize the orexin effects due to it's strong Alpha-2a adrenergic receptor agonism.

Cheers.

I don't think that clonidine is doing anything to oxerin receptors, why not getting a dual orexin receptor antagonist instead?

 

[Zeus088]

Thanks man, I appreciate it. I'm always updating my knowledge, particularly important in the areas we're dealing with.

We're a bunch of Magellans out here

PS: If you use PCTZOne be sure to get PCT24x7s pricelist, at CosmicPCT and have him price match. Those two are quite a bit cheaper. A year's supply of Daily Moda should cost under $150.

@Ghoul you should probably start charging me by the hour. And if anyone else has experience with that modafinil starter kit you recommended, does it tend to help with brain fog? My GP didn’t want to prescribe it to me, but towards the end of a cycle especially it’s like that feeling when you just wake up, but all day. (Cutting Cycle)

 

[Ghoul]

@Ghoul you should probably start charging me by the hour. And if anyone else has experience with that modafinil starter kit you recommended, does it tend to help with brain fog? My GP didn’t want to prescribe it to me, but towards the end of a cycle especially it’s like that feeling when you just wake up, but all day. (Cutting Cycle)

If by "brain fog" you mean difficulty with Executive Function, yes, evidence shows it clearly improves it.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0165178122005170

In my personal experience, the cognitive benefits mostly manifest after steady use of a stable dose for a few weeks, because initially, the "awake" feeling tends to overwhelm everything else. Once you become accustomed to the level of wakefulness, the cognitive enhancing effects become more obvious.

Over longer periods of time, it increases the strength and number of connections between neurons in parts of the brain most responsible for conscious thought.

 

[JustMe18]

For me I used 50mg as first thing in the morning and works well for concentration/motivation

Upper that dosage my body didn't like it more sides than good effect so my good dosage still 50mg

I used it since I get up because if I take it later I can't sleep at night and will work all night long on computer to become a zombie

Some supplement that help me to sleep better in combination with modafilnil was melatonin at 3mg just before bed-time, seems you have a fast deeper sleep that's good for recovery

I’ve been using “Calm”. It’s a powder with L theanine, Magnesium Glycinate/Carbonate/5mg melatonin. Knocks me out in about 20-30 mins. I was having to dose 20-30 mg melatonin, but my mind was still racing (even without moda or armoda). I get that zombie feeling you mentioned. That supplement has saved my sleep cycle massively.

 

[FastBun]

I’ve been using “Calm”. It’s a powder with L theanine, Magnesium Glycinate/Carbonate/5mg melatonin. Knocks me out in about 20-30 mins. I was having to dose 20-30 mg melatonin, but my mind was still racing (even without moda or armoda). I get that zombie feeling you mentioned. That supplement has saved my sleep cycle massively.

Look for simply sleep pills on Amazon. It’s made by Tylenol and all it has is diphenhydramine and it doesn’t form habit at least hasn’t for me

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[JustMe18]

Look for simply sleep pills on Amazon. It’s made by Tylenol and all it has is diphenhydramine and it doesn’t form habit at least hasn’t for me

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I can’t take that. It makes my member feel very weird . Even the dosage of melatonin had me feeling uncomfortable to where it wouldn’t allow me to sleep. I think my chemical make up is just weird lol.

 

[FastBun]

I can’t take that. It makes my member feel very weird . Even the dosage of melatonin had me feeling uncomfortable to where it wouldn’t allow me to sleep. I think my chemical make up is just weird lol.

Hmm that’s interesting. But yeah man everyone body is different. Do what works for you. Listen to your body

 

[ineffectual]

@Ghoul is pct24x7 one of the cheaper places to get these currently? Read the entire thread and love your posts. Took notes lol. Earlier in the thread you mentioned a place that gave better pricing for bulk. Source? Thanks for all your insight on these two meds.

 

[Ghoul]

@Ghoul is pct24x7 one of the cheaper places to get these currently? Read the entire thread and love your posts. Took notes lol. Earlier in the thread you mentioned a place that gave better pricing for bulk. Source? Thanks for all your insight on these two meds.

If you're looking for the best bang for the buck from a reliable source, in the US, as of this posting*, in my opinion, HABs ModAwake 200 (modafinil) and HABs Artvigil 50 (armodafinil) from PCT 24, especially with the current 20% discount, is the way to go.

You're able to buy a year's supply of either, enough for daily dosing for under $100. Given how good the new shipping route is, I think it's wise to "stock up" if you're interested in Moda/Armdo. It became nearly impossible to get from India, and that could happen again at any moment.

These have very long shelf lives. Expiration dates nearly 3 years out. The tests of Modafinil from the International Space Station supplies show nearly no degradation after two years in storage, and 10 year old+ Modafinil is reported effective.

*Note to PCT24

Please don't raise the prices of these due to demand. I think Modalert/Modawake pricing has gotten out of hand due to name recognition and the minor quality difference is not worth the extra cost.

@PCT24X7 PHARMACY

 

[ineffectual]

Thank you so very much. What would be a good amount? 500 of each?

If you're looking for the best bang for the buck from a reliable source, in the US, as of this posting*, in my opinion, HABs ModAwake 200 (modafinil) and HABs Artvigil 50 (armodafinil) from PCT 24, especially with the current 20% discount, is the way to go.

You're able to buy a year's supply of either, enough for daily dosing for under $100. Given how good the new shipping route is, I think it's wise to "stock up" if you're interested in Moda/Armdo. It became nearly impossible to get from India, and that could happen again at any moment.

These have very long shelf lives. Expiration dates nearly 3 years out. The tests of Modafinil from the International Space Station supplies show nearly no degradation after two years in storage, and 10 year old+ Modafinil is reported effective.

*Note to PCT24

Please don't raise the prices of these due to demand. I think Modalert/Modawake pricing has gotten out of hand due to name recognition and the minor quality difference is not worth her extra cost.

 

[Ghoul]

Thank you so very much. What would be a good amount? 500 of each?

Seems reasonable to me. One 200mg Moda is a good "base" and 1.2, or 3 50mg Armoda added depending on how long you need it to last that day.

Bear in mind everyone's got a different level of sensitivity, so start low. 100mg Moda (1/2 tablet) and see how it goes.

Remember only once a day though (unless it's necessary for something like a long drive you're falling asleep on). I find any second dose later interferes with sleep.

 

[MrGrant]

Sorry if I've missed this in the thread but whats the difference between say Modaheal 200mg and Modavigil 200mg? Both say they are 200mg of modafinil but I believe Ive felt different on each and others in the thread seem to have said similar? I had a quick look online for ingredients but again just see 200mg modafinal?
@Ghoul any thoughts please?

 

[Zeus088]

Sorry if I've missed this in the thread but whats the difference between say Modaheal 200mg and Modavigil 200mg? Both say they are 200mg of modafinil but I believe Ive felt different on each and others in the thread seem to have said similar? I had a quick look online for ingredients but again just see 200mg modafinal?
@Ghoul any thoughts please?

This thread has a ton of great detailed advice @Ghoul has several posts where he breaks down differences and how you can utilize each ancillary until you find the right mix for you. I’ve purchased Modadinil (Modvigil), ModAlert, ModAwake, and Armodafinil. I’m still working through the best protocol for me but my base is the 200mg Modvigil. I order mine from PCT Zone 24x7 and it’s been super helpful. I took pics of @Ghoul

 

[Zeus088]

This thread has a ton of great detailed advice @Ghoul has several posts where he breaks down differences and how you can utilize each ancillary until you find the right mix for you. I’ve purchased Modadinil (Modvigil), ModAlert, ModAwake, and Armodafinil. I’m still working through the best protocol for me but my base is the 200mg Modvigil. I order mine from PCT Zone 24x7 and it’s been super helpful. I took pics of @Ghoul

Sorry for cut off but I took pics of the protocols he recommended and saved them in a folder and it’s been a huge help. Some of the other guys also shared some good info on what’s working for them. Solid thread to keep an eye on. Good luck!