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Icarus - Russian Doping Doc
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Hugh J Sachs
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Seems entirely plausible that there could be mountains of evidence that there was gov orchestrated tampering, but insuffiecent evidence to actually deduce who took what, only that samples were altered
MisterSuperGod
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Speaking of doping in sports.
PBS ran a Secrets Of The Dead titled Doping For Gold. Was all about the East Germans giving AAS to their female competitors.
Thought it was an interesting episode.
You can find it by Googling the title.
PBS ran a Secrets Of The Dead titled Doping For Gold. Was all about the East Germans giving AAS to their female competitors.
Thought it was an interesting episode.
You can find it by Googling the title.
Hugh J Sachs
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So I was wondering after watching Icarus why Fogel dropped the discussion of his experiment, which was his initial motivation for making the documentary. A much bigger story broke, of course, but I was none the less curious as to why he placed worse on his second run of the Huate Route (doped), and what his test results were on his samples taken to Moscow's Anti-Doping Center.
Still not sure why this was left out of the final cut, but here are some of those answers from his lips:
CyclingTips Podcast, Episode 43: An interview with Icarus director Bryan Fogel | CyclingTips
Still not sure why this was left out of the final cut, but here are some of those answers from his lips:
CyclingTips Podcast, Episode 43: An interview with Icarus director Bryan Fogel | CyclingTips
He had an issue with his bike or something, didn't he? I forget exactly what it was but something out of his control happened that screwed up his time.
Hugh J Sachs
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Yeah think he said he lost an hour. Dont know how big a hit that is or if its something that often befalls cyclists. Guessing its a big deal?
If so, they kinda downplay it. Its only mentioned once and he bemoans about his placement several times thereafter. I got the impresson it wasnt the only reason
If so, they kinda downplay it. Its only mentioned once and he bemoans about his placement several times thereafter. I got the impresson it wasnt the only reason
Jankauskas
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I like this approach
The podcast was great!
Also worth checking out here an 80 minute Q&A
Really gets into it from a different perspective than the rogan one
CyclingTips Podcast, Episode 43: An interview with Icarus director Bryan Fogel | CyclingTips
Brolloks
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Yeah. He was stuck in one gear for almost an entire stage. And had radio failure.
It seems pretty clear that the doco would have been mostly about his improved performance, but then went on the doping tangent when he failed.
I think it was more the documentary just naturally became something else because of a much bigger story. Right place right time. Saved the mans life for sure
I've heard that there may be a "bigger, stronger, faster part 2" in the works... My favorite AAS documentary.
That is the King of AAS movies but I am sure hi heard him talk it down recently
Check out Mark bells podcast the power cast it's very good
Prescription thugs & trophy kids are worth a look by those guys too
Prescription thugs was hard for me to watch.
I'm interested to see his movie on kratom.
WADA in possession of new intelligence from Moscow Laboratory
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/n...on-of-new-intelligence-from-moscow-laboratory
Today, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) advised its Executive Committee and Foundation Board that, at the end of October, WADA’s independent Intelligence and Investigations (I&I) Department acquired new intelligence concerning the former WADA-accredited Moscow Laboratory. Specifically, the I&I Department is in possession of an electronic file that the Department is confident is the Laboratory Information Management System (LIMS) database of the Moscow Laboratory, i.e. all testing data between January 2012 – August 2015.
https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/n...on-of-new-intelligence-from-moscow-laboratory
Today, the World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) advised its Executive Committee and Foundation Board that, at the end of October, WADA’s independent Intelligence and Investigations (I&I) Department acquired new intelligence concerning the former WADA-accredited Moscow Laboratory. Specifically, the I&I Department is in possession of an electronic file that the Department is confident is the Laboratory Information Management System (LIMS) database of the Moscow Laboratory, i.e. all testing data between January 2012 – August 2015.
Antidoping Officials Obtain Trove of Russian Lab Data
Antidoping Officials Obtain Trove of Russian Lab Data
The World Anti-Doping Agency, the global regulator of drugs in sports, has obtained a digital trove of data that holds the results of thousands of drug tests run on Russian athletes dating back several years. It is considered a final piece of the puzzle revealing the contours of a state-sponsored doping scheme that Russia conducted across multiple Olympics.
The agency said in a news release on Friday that its investigations department was in possession of an electronic file that it believed to contain “all testing data” from January 2012 to August 2015.
The database, fiercely protected by Russian authorities who have been unwilling to share the information with antidoping investigators, did not arrive through official channels but rather from a whistle-blower, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Information in the database is believed to drastically expand the scope of the Russian doping scandal and provide a new level of evidence just as the International Olympic Committee weighs how to penalize Russia ahead of the 2018 Winter Games in Pyeongchang, South Korea. The new information could compel Olympic officials to issue stiffer penalties.
Antidoping Officials Obtain Trove of Russian Lab Data
The World Anti-Doping Agency, the global regulator of drugs in sports, has obtained a digital trove of data that holds the results of thousands of drug tests run on Russian athletes dating back several years. It is considered a final piece of the puzzle revealing the contours of a state-sponsored doping scheme that Russia conducted across multiple Olympics.
The agency said in a news release on Friday that its investigations department was in possession of an electronic file that it believed to contain “all testing data” from January 2012 to August 2015.
The database, fiercely protected by Russian authorities who have been unwilling to share the information with antidoping investigators, did not arrive through official channels but rather from a whistle-blower, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation who spoke on the condition of anonymity.
Information in the database is believed to drastically expand the scope of the Russian doping scandal and provide a new level of evidence just as the International Olympic Committee weighs how to penalize Russia ahead of the 2018 Winter Games in Pyeongchang, South Korea. The new information could compel Olympic officials to issue stiffer penalties.
The chemist has kept a diary most of his life. His daily habit is to record where he went, whom he talked to and what he ate. At the top of each entry, he scrawls his blood pressure.
Two of his hardback journals, each embossed with the calendar year and filled with handwritten notes from a Waterman pen, are now among the critical pieces of evidence that could result in Russia being absent from the next Olympic Games.
The chemist is Grigory Rodchenkov, who spent years helping Russia’s athletes gain an edge by using banned substances. His diaries cataloging 2014 and 2015 — his final years as Russia’s antidoping lab chief before he fled to the United States — provide a new level of detail about Russia’s elaborate cheating at the last Winter Games and the extent to which, he says, the nation’s government and Olympic officials were involved.
His contemporaneous notes, seen by The New York Times and previously unreported, speak to a key issue for Olympic officials: the state’s involvement in the massive sports fraud. In recent days, it has become clear that the International Olympic Committee is convinced of the authenticity of the notes and that they are likely to contribute to the group’s decision to issue severe penalties.
Olympic officials will announce their decision on Dec. 5. If they do not bar Russia completely from the coming Winter Olympics in Pyeongchang, South Korea, they are likely to keep all Russian emblems out of the Games: The Russian flag would not fly at the opening and closing ceremony, Russian athletes would compete in neutral uniforms and the Russian anthem would not be played. Such restrictions, Russian officials have said, would be tantamount to an outright ban, and Russia would consider boycotting the 2018 Olympics.
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Together with Rodchenkov’s sworn statements, the diaries detail specific discussions about cheating he had with prominent officials including Vitaly Mutko, Russia’s sports minister at the time who is now the nation’s deputy prime minister; Yuri Nagornykh, Mutko’s former deputy sports minister, who also belonged to Russia’s Olympic Committee; and Irina Rodionova, the former deputy director of the center of sports preparation of national teams of Russia.
Alongside those consequential conversations, Rodchenkov recorded the mundane details of his life — simple errands like buying a Bounty chocolate bar at Sochi’s central market along with cold medicine for Thierry Boghosian, the international lab inspector who never detected Russia’s brazen breaches of drug-testing during the three weeks of the Games.
[Video] The IOC decides about Russia's participation in the Olympic Games.
http://www.sportschau.de/doping/video-the-ioc-decides-about-russias-participitation-in-the-olympic-games--100.html
The decision about Russia's participation in the Winter Olympics in South Korea is imminent. New doping evidences even the pressure on the IOC.
http://www.sportschau.de/doping/video-the-ioc-decides-about-russias-participitation-in-the-olympic-games--100.html
The decision about Russia's participation in the Winter Olympics in South Korea is imminent. New doping evidences even the pressure on the IOC.
