If you only lose as much as you are in a deficit, what’s the point of GH for fat loss?

[Ghoul]

@Ghoul yesterday done bloods; 2IU 2ktropin until Nov then 4IU, then Lobster 5IU from Nov 24th. Daily bolus before bed (including the night before the fasted AM test), currently cutting, plus reta 3mg/wk bolus. Only test 240mg and adex.

Done Randox Everyman check, which has plenty of data on top of which I asked for IGF-1 to be added.

TSH 2.71, FT4 12.6, FT3 3.97, IGF-1 28.5, insulin 4.7, C-peptide 0.6, glucose 4.61, HbA1c 30.16, HDL 2.06, LDL 1.4, triglycerides 2.2, lipase 55.4, amlyase 39

Surprisingly, ApoB 54, ApoE 7.54.

Believe I could even easily slowly tirtrate up to 8IU considering that my Z-score (calculated with some online tools) is between 1 (Horenz) and 1.25 (Bidlingmaier).

Looks good just beware calorie deficit is one of the 1000 levers that controls IGF-1, so since you’re cutting, once your start eating more, you could see a major increase within a couple of weeks.

Just a reminder to test again after going from deficit to surplus and increasing the dose.

Luckily everything around GH/IGF is slow moving, so even if Z moves into dangerous territory, at few weeks or even a month isn’t going to do and significant harm.

 

[white-boyka]

No, it’s across the board.

Kids, adults, sick, healthy, when rHGH is stoped, fat mass goes up, lean mass goes down, even when weight stays the same.

I was going to post some studies but it’s enough to say they all, dozens. show the same impact of stopping rHGH on body composition.

Ironically weight often drops despite fat mass increasing. Probobly from water loss and some muscle mass loss.

increase to a significant degree though? to the point where it’s worthless to use gh for a short period in an aggressive deficit if you don’t intend on using long term?

 

[SnowyMiami]

Chase Irons was boofing 18 IU Sero a day and his IGF was in the 200s. I generally trust Kurt Havens on GH and he says serum IGF doesn't tell you anything useful.

I am 40 and have been using pharma GH daily for over a year. 4 IU seems to be the sweet spot. 2 IU sleep goes to crap because it is likely less than your pituitary puts out. 6 IU and I sleep great but am groggy all day.