If you only lose as much as you are in a deficit, what’s the point of GH for fat loss?

[Ghoul]

@Ghoul yesterday done bloods; 2IU 2ktropin until Nov then 4IU, then Lobster 5IU from Nov 24th. Daily bolus before bed (including the night before the fasted AM test), currently cutting, plus reta 3mg/wk bolus. Only test 240mg and adex.

Done Randox Everyman check, which has plenty of data on top of which I asked for IGF-1 to be added.

TSH 2.71, FT4 12.6, FT3 3.97, IGF-1 28.5, insulin 4.7, C-peptide 0.6, glucose 4.61, HbA1c 30.16, HDL 2.06, LDL 1.4, triglycerides 2.2, lipase 55.4, amlyase 39

Surprisingly, ApoB 54, ApoE 7.54.

Believe I could even easily slowly tirtrate up to 8IU considering that my Z-score (calculated with some online tools) is between 1 (Horenz) and 1.25 (Bidlingmaier).

Looks good just beware calorie deficit is one of the 1000 levers that controls IGF-1, so since you’re cutting, once your start eating more, you could see a major increase within a couple of weeks.

Just a reminder to test again after going from deficit to surplus and increasing the dose.

Luckily everything around GH/IGF is slow moving, so even if Z moves into dangerous territory, at few weeks or even a month isn’t going to do and significant harm.

 

[white-boyka]

No, it’s across the board.

Kids, adults, sick, healthy, when rHGH is stoped, fat mass goes up, lean mass goes down, even when weight stays the same.

I was going to post some studies but it’s enough to say they all, dozens. show the same impact of stopping rHGH on body composition.

Ironically weight often drops despite fat mass increasing. Probobly from water loss and some muscle mass loss.

increase to a significant degree though? to the point where it’s worthless to use gh for a short period in an aggressive deficit if you don’t intend on using long term?

 

[SnowyMiami]

Chase Irons was boofing 18 IU Sero a day and his IGF was in the 200s. I generally trust Kurt Havens on GH and he says serum IGF doesn't tell you anything useful.

I am 40 and have been using pharma GH daily for over a year. 4 IU seems to be the sweet spot. 2 IU sleep goes to crap because it is likely less than your pituitary puts out. 6 IU and I sleep great but am groggy all day.

 

[RzSco]

Get a baseline IGF-1 test. $30. Then follow up IGF-1 levels will guide your dose from then on. Some people can use no more than 2iu safely, others 20iu. It’s highly variable and you don’t want to fly blind.

God I envy Americans. A quarter of the price for the test and you all earn five times as much. NHS needs to be burned to the ground.

 

[Ghoul]

God I envy Americans. A quarter of the price for the test and you all earn five times as much. NHS needs to be burned to the ground.

Brother, while you (and I) are familiar with the NHS, and the limitations of other systems, most Americans are convinced that rather than having access to an excellent system with some flaws that need to be corrected, it’s complete shit, should be burned to the ground, and everyone else lives in a socialized medicine paradise. They know nothing of long waiting lists, complete lack of access to many medicines, treatments, and diagnostics because they aren’t considered cost effective enough - so they’re completely inaccessible. It doesn’t register with them millions of patients travel to the US each year in an attempt to save their own lives. None question why countries with socilialized healthcare (including the UK and Canada), have parallel private systems, including private insurance (often employer provided), usually an incentive companies offer for the upper echelon of skilled employees, that don’t have the same long waiting lists and severely limited formularies of medicines hampered by governments that make insurance companies look like Santa Claus in terms of generosity.

You’ll never hear “My grandmother is in agony and needs a hip replacement, hopefully she won’t have to wait more than a year.” or, “I blew out my guts lifting some luggage, the soonest I can get a hernia repair is 17 months.”. Or, “the doctor says an advanced radiation therapy machine could spare me this surgery that’ll leave me handicapped, but there isn’t one in the country because it was axed from the last government budget as uneconomical,” It’s unheard of.

They all live in dread of dying standing outside the locked doors of the hospital, which is nonsense. 97% of Americans have some form of medical coverage, a small proportion of young healthy (mostly men) actively try to avoid it. There are many “safety net” healthcare programs, it doesn’t dawn on them somehow illegal aliens manage to get treatment, including organ transplants, without coverage, and absolute worse case scenario, a bankruptcy “reset” wipes out many millions in medical bills if you need access to some incredibly expensive care since policy and law requires “treatment first, bill later”.