IFBB pros cruise

I have two very close friends that compete, 240-260 stage weight. One protocol is 750 test 400 mast cruise, the other is 1g test cruise both use gh 6-10 units and novorapid with meals.
 
was told that a few years ago nick was cruising 700 test and some eq (would assume 300-500) . That was 5 years ago before he ever turned pro. That’s nick though. I’m sure the guys who looked jacked before ever lifting/while natural cruise on much much less
 
Now in the other hand my coach is very big, not a pro but very close. His cruise is 200 test 200 primo so it can very significantly.
 
Now in the other hand my coach is very big, not a pro but very close. His cruise is 200 test 200 primo so it can very significantly.
yeah I know some one else fighting for pro card in heavyweight (not super heavies but he’s also under 6ft), and he cruises on 250 test 250 mast
 
There are also tons of open pros who, due to health reasons/bad markers, have talked about needing to come down to true trt for a few weeks before returning to their normal cruise or blasting again
 
There are also tons of open pros who, due to health reasons/bad markers, have talked about needing to come down to true trt for a few weeks before returning to their normal cruise or blasting again
With all due respect, A lot of pros die young. So I don't believe many care about their health or monitor it as much as they claim, or they should.
 
With all due respect, A lot of pros die young. So I don't believe many care about their health or monitor it as much as they claim, or they should.
For every bodybuilder working with a matt jansen, there’s another working with a dom cardone. They’re all over the spectrum in terms of what kinds of risks they’re willing to accept. And many pros do get organ scans and work with doctors, or at least they claim to be going to those appointments in their vlogs
 
I would believe Jay cutler is on TRT now. He's obviously lost a ton of muscle but to maintain his peak size, you don't just use trt dosages. He still looks great I'm not knocking him for that, But the size difference is very obvious. So he's not running what he was running for many years to maintain that size and keep getting bigger during "blasts". Otherwise it would be 2 steps back 1 step forward every year for him.
 
I would believe Jay cutler is on TRT now. He's obviously lost a ton of muscle but to maintain his peak size, you don't just use trt dosages. He still looks great I'm not knocking him for that, But the size difference is very obvious. So he's not running what he was running for many years to maintain that size and keep getting bigger during "blasts". Otherwise it would be 2 steps back 1 step forward every year for him.
I never said TRT is the norm. I said that due to dangerous/critical blood markers, pros do come down to TRT for a few weeks to reverse it to a moderately bad level before going back up to a higher cruise for more time then blast
 
I would believe Jay cutler is on TRT now. He's obviously lost a ton of muscle but to maintain his peak size, you don't just use trt dosages. He still looks great I'm not knocking him for that, But the size difference is very obvious. So he's not running what he was running for many years to maintain that size and keep getting bigger during "blasts". Otherwise it would be 2 steps back 1 step forward every year for him.
I don't know if I believe Jay. I know he has the god genes but his muscles still look kind of enhanced to me. Obviously he isn't blasting hard but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a little somethin somethin in there with his testosterone replacement.
 
I don't know if I believe Jay. I know he has the god genes but his muscles still look kind of enhanced to me. Obviously he isn't blasting hard but I wouldn't be surprised if he has a little somethin somethin in there with his testosterone replacement.
Milos always jokes with him about his “TRT” talking about “I just need to take your trt” so it’s basically an inside joke between them that jay is absolutely not running 150 test lol
 
was told that a few years ago nick was cruising 700 test and some eq (would assume 300-500) . That was 5 years ago before he ever turned pro. That’s nick though. I’m sure the guys who looked jacked before ever lifting/while natural cruise on much much less
Yeah idk why but i feel like nick probabaly takes insane amounts of gear. Idk why I think that maybe because his genetics are not the best. I could be completly wrong tho, and he works with matt. And when he tried switching coaches the guy said he told nick he needed scans, blood work, all this shit before he would work with him. Im assuming after nick told him what he was doing he was thinking wtf and was nervous working with him. Just my opinion.
 
If pros cruise on 750 how are we supposed to believe veterans and even legends like platz saying they cycled and used low doses of everything back in the day?
 
If pros cruise on 750 how are we supposed to believe veterans and even legends like platz saying they cycled and used low doses of everything back in the day?
Bro they really didnt use that much back then, yeah guys push gear now but they would still be impressive as hell just using what the guys back then used.
 
Yeah idk why but i feel like nick probabaly takes insane amounts of gear. Idk why I think that maybe because his genetics are not the best. I could be completly wrong tho, and he works with matt. And when he tried switching coaches the guy said he told nick he needed scans, blood work, all this shit before he would work with him. Im assuming after nick told him what he was doing he was thinking wtf and was nervous working with him. Just my opinion.
Nick didn’t even look decent when he was natural. When you compare him to someone like ronnie, lee priest, or even guys like iain valliere when they were all natural, they blow him out of the water. Nick looked natural when he was natural. That is NOT the norm for top open pros. I think hyperresponding is probably a real thing but it’s to an extent. I don’t think there’s anyone at the top of the sport using as much as nick. And all matt’s other top pros are using almost as much. I feel like at this point nick is an experiment for matt (matt sponsors nick and has put him up in homes etc) to see just how far someone can push this. Matt probably looks at him like dallas 2.0
 
If pros cruise on 750 how are we supposed to believe veterans and even legends like platz saying they cycled and used low doses of everything back in the day?

Back then they didn't have any aromatase inhibitors, only serms to prevent gyno so they couldn't push test, they didn't have blood pressure meds, cholesterol meds, HGH, insulin..also they were nowhere near in bodyfat while in a contest compared with today. Some coaches say these old school bbers on stage would be something like 8 weeks out of nowadays contest. Some days ago i saw a post on insta i think about Tom Platz and they said his quads in his best were 30 inches while big ramy's were 36. Seeing Platz's legs always leave me with my jaw on the floor but bodybuilding has evolved, so it makes absolute sense that golden era guys were using less, but i don't believe what platz says. He's all over the place with his dosages..in one video says 100 deca per week and 20mg winstrol ed was his cycle for 10 years and in another video said 700mg total per week, 100mg per day. This is more reasonable. On the other hand i've heard that some guys like Mentzer or Padilla were on like 3 grams deca per week.
 
Back then they didn't have any aromatase inhibitors, only serms to prevent gyno so they couldn't push test, they didn't have blood pressure meds, cholesterol meds, HGH, insulin..also they were nowhere near in bodyfat while in a contest compared with today. Some coaches say these old school bbers on stage would be something like 8 weeks out of nowadays contest. Some days ago i saw a post on insta i think about Tom Platz and they said his quads in his best were 30 inches while big ramy's were 36. Seeing Platz's legs always leave me with my jaw on the floor but bodybuilding has evolved, so it makes absolute sense that golden era guys were using less, but i don't believe what platz says. He's all over the place with his dosages..in one video says 100 deca per week and 20mg winstrol ed was his cycle for 10 years and in another video said 700mg total per week, 100mg per day. This is more reasonable. On the other hand i've heard that some guys like Mentzer or Padilla were on like 3 grams deca per week.
Yeah man I think Tom Platz is living proof that bodybuilders can get CTE. He is a special dude. I think there's a good chance he actually does think he built 30 inch legs on 20mg of winstrol. He'll fight over it.
 
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