IIFYM... validity?

[Docd187123]

It's not an eating disorder, it's dedication.

No it's not. Orthorexia nervosa is grouped along with the other 35 or so types of eating disorders.

IIFYM is an excuse to eat dirtier foods for people who aren't as disciplined with their diet.

And "clean dieting" is used as an excuse to cover up an eating disorder. So what's your point? Besides, you don't even know IIFYM to be talking about it.

Most Docs are fat fucks anyways, especially mental professionals

Yet when someone's life and/or well being is on the line, those fat fucks as you call them are the only ones with the education, qualifications, experience, etc to treat the patient.

 

[iamINVICTUS]

And fortunately for us your bet would be wrong. As I've said plenty of times, a buddy won his pro card and was eating brownies and ice cream up until 4wks out from the meet and he wasn't the only one there who placed well and was eating "junk" well into contest prep. You're lucky you didn't bet anything more than just your reputation

I laugh at the commitment aspect. I mean if you want to call an eating disorder "commitment" so be it but there are mental health professionals who get laid lots of money to treat ppl like that.

Nice, you found some anecdotal evidence.

But yeah im not disagreeing with you either.

Just saying not all calories are made the same...

 

[Docd187123]

Nice, you found some anecdotal evidence.

But yeah im not disagreeing with you either.

Just saying not all calories are made the same...

Yes I have more personal anecdotal evidence also but I think someone winning a pro card is a pretty decent argument. Plus I've seen some videos of the pros, Ronnie, Jay, Phil, etc and what they eat and it's "dirtier" than a crack whore from Hunt's Point Ave in the Bronx lol. On my home forum we also have a coach who'sworked with several successful bodybuilders and he has hem eating what they want until about about 4-6wks out depending in how far they are from stage ready at that point.

I know all calories are not the same. A calorie of fat is different than a calorie of protein which is different than a calorie of carbohydrates which is different than a calorie of fiber.

 

[iamINVICTUS]

Yes I have more personal anecdotal evidence also but I think someone winning a pro card is a pretty decent argument. Plus I've seen some videos of the pros, Ronnie, Jay, Phil, etc and what they eat and it's "dirtier" than a crack whore from Hunt's Point Ave in the Bronx lol. On my home forum we also have a coach who'sworked with several successful bodybuilders and he has hem eating what they want until about about 4-6wks out depending in how far they are from stage ready at that point.

I know all calories are not the same. A calorie of fat is different than a calorie of protein which is different than a calorie of carbohydrates which is different than a calorie of fiber.

Well, whether you actually didnt know what i was getting at or were just trying to belittle my comment on calories, idunno.

Anyways, im saying that meeting your caloric goals by eating a twinkie instead of a chicken breast is one of the disadvantages of IIFYM.

 

[evarthecaveman]

Man, I'm so sick and tired of hearing this IIFYM bullshit. Let's call it for what it is; a diet for people who can't go as hard as committed guys. I'd love to go to a bodybuilding event and take a survey on how many guys did that for competition prep. I bet my answer would be ZERO. And when you're starving from a diet, it's kind of hard to eat just 1 brownie. I'd rather go clean all week and just have 1 cheat meal or maybe a "free day" and then get right back hard on it. IIFYM is just giving everyone what they want and that is an easier way out.

No disrespect to anyone who utilizes this type of eating and still gets results, but IMO it's for pussies.

Lol I positive a "cheat day" would put you in WAY more of a surplus then fittin in foods you enjoy eating. The whole non commited thing is stupid to. It's a whole lot easier to follow a cookie cutter plan froma coach then to track every single thing that enters your body. Iifym isn't for lazy people. And most lots of pros do it. lol.

 

[D-Ballin]

I actually only do strict meal prep when I don't have time for IIFYM. High stress work periods, the cookie cutter diets are much easier to follow.

When I have time to log faithfully, and do the program justice, IIFYM does the same thing, only more enjoyably.

It's not a matter of going hard any one way. Hunger and satiety are subjective experiences. I see guys pissing and moaning about how hungry they are cutting on 1800 cals, I have to wonder if they've ever had reason to actually be truly hungry. It's all in your head.

If you can't make IIFYM work due to satiety issues, that's on you. Stick with your BSCB and asparagus 7 days a week. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that. But there's nothing inherently wrong with IIFYM from a work ethic or nutrition standpoint either.

And if you can't make IIFYM healthy from a micronutrients standpoint, then you just have shit eating habits. If that's the case, you should probably work on some general lifestyle changes before you start stressing out about counting calories.

 

[D-Ballin]

And as a follow up to that post, so as not to sound too abrasive:

The hypoglycemia effect produced when pushing into what's effectively a dangerously low body fat, or when running certain cutting drugs is not in your head. If you do suffer from these issues, then you'll need to plan your meal timing a little more accordingly, or be sure to take in some protein or fiber with the offending food stuffs. But personally, I tend not to eat foods that I know will leave me feeling shitty an hour or two down the road.

T3 and tren will leave me feeling like dogshit if I'm not careful, especially with sugary shit in the afternoon, whether it fits my daily plan or not. The solution is to be more careful. . .

 

[Docd187123]

Well, whether you actually didnt know what i was getting at or were just trying to belittle my comment on calories, idunno.

Anyways, im saying that meeting your caloric goals by eating a twinkie instead of a chicken breast is one of the disadvantages of IIFYM.

That was not an attempt to belittle you and I fully understood what you were saying. I commented the way I did to further open the discussion.

Can you eat solely twinkies and fit your macro goals? And conversely, can you eat solely chicken breast and fill your macro goals?

 

[Demondosage]

What would be an example of a typical IIFYM day for some of you guys? Just curious here

 

[evarthecaveman]

What would be an example of a typical IIFYM day for some of you guys? Just curious here

Egg whites/protein/juice breakfast
Chipolte or some restraunt post workout
Another shake
Lots of Greek yogurt
Poptarts
Chicken potatoes. Sums up my diet

 

[Docd187123]

What would be an example of a typical IIFYM day for some of you guys? Just curious here

An example of one day:

On a weekend morning I'll do 6-10whole eggs with pita bread and za'atar, oatmeal or cereal with whole milk, banana, and strawberries/raspberries/blackberries.

Before going to the gym I'll make like a chicken stir fry with various veggies over rice and a salad. If I'm rushed for time I'll go to wendys or something and grab some chicken sandwiches and fries.

At the gym I'll eat some poptarts.

After the gym I'll have a shake with whole milk, whey protein, peanut or so on butter, banana, Granny Smith apple, chocolate syrup, and a few scoops of ice cream.

After that I'll do a triple burger and fries from 5Guys or get a super burrito with double steak and chicken.

For dinner I'll eat out with a girl or some friends and just pig out on whatever interest me on the menu or I'll make some steaks, baked potatoes, grilled zucchini/squash, asparagus, hummus with pita bread and tabouleh.

Before bed I'll have a bowl or more of ice cream with various toppings.

Between all that I munch on some brownies and Greek yogurt throughout the day.

That's a sample day. Some days I eat a lot more processed foods and/or fast food if rushed for time. Other days when I have more time I'll cook all of my shit.

 

[D-Ballin]

Whey shake and a piece of fruit, or 50/50 whites and eggs with oatmeal or or fruit for breakfast. Sometimes an Apple fritter instead of the carbs. This would usually carry over to my mid morning carb too.

Mid morning, whey shake and fruit, some kind of prepped chicken wrap, cottage cheese with berries, a yogurt, or whatever.

Lunch: anything with about 600 cal and 50gr protein. Burger some days, chicken salad or sandwich, piece of salmon with side.

Mid afternoon/post workout, usually whey and fruit again. Sometimes a larger shake with oats and kale.

Dinner, meat and veggies. Or meat with rice and beans. Couple of places we go to eat that have good choices for my goals. Seafood joint with fish and rice, a gyro. Always down to smash some good tacos. Similar to lunch, but can lean heavier if I want and lighten up on the pre bed.

Pre bed: usually cottage cheese with some nuts and berries. Sometimes a bowl of cereal with whey (those strawberry honey bunches with strawberry or chocolate whey are awesome). Very few sugary things I get down on. Sometimes high quality ice cream or gelato. Tiramisu if he wife bought some.

That's general purpose cutting. Obviously a lot of adjustment when gaining.

I don't have that much of a sweet tooth. The same principle applies if you do though, just bump some stuff around to compensate if needed. More about having the ability to eat out, or to eat at family's house without being a PITA for me. Most of my food is "clean", because that's what I feel best eating. When it's not or can't be, it can still fit into the framework of my overall plan. And even if you go over for a day, looking at a weekly and long term viewpoint, your diet is still pretty well in line.

If I were trying to get down past 8% or so, I would probably maintain a prescriptive diet from that point on, just for the sake of convenience though. Don't trust all the nutritional info for restaurant foods when it comes to that point, and I'm not carrying a scale with me to split hairs or grade my cooks adherence to recipe specs. But from there, it's a matter or weeks, not long term lifestyle diet (at least would be for me).

 

[Demondosage]

Damn, you guys are cutting up on that type of eating? Seems like an awful lot of food. I was just curious that's all, I guess once in awhile I'll do something different post workout like Chipotle grill but that's pretty much the extent of it.

Now on cheat days it's all out war on food. There is no telling what I'm going to eat, it could be a pizza, pancakes, an entire pack of Oreo cookies, who knows. The next day after I'll look a little bloated and up a few lbs, but usually 2-3 days later I start looking much tighter again. If I was getting ready to compete then it would just be 1 cheat meal per week.

The one thing I'll give you guys is I can see where your diet would keep you from getting depressed. Diets can become depressing and there is definitely validity in that. I just think when you're getting under 7-8% bodyfat it's inevitable.

I can see where you guys are coming from now, you're looking at dieting as more of a long haul deal rather than a super strict and intense 12 wks or so. My issue is I can't put some of the shit down once I start eating it, so I'm like a light switch, once it's flipped off then it's off, and back to the diet. I just love bodybuilding and I know the diet takes discipline, so I do it. I definitely wouldn't consider myself a mental case with food, it's just what I prefer to see results

 

[rigs03]

@Demondosage exactly, it's more of a long term
Thing. Keep in mind we are not just eating whatever the hell we want to hit calories.. We are just eating foods that we enjoy but usually are meticulously tracking those foods to make sure the rest of the day is good macro wise. To sum it up, it's not eating 20 pieces of cake a day, it's maybe eating a piece or two and fitting those into the overall day macros without freaking out that we just ate cake.

It's just a different approach and I get where you're coming from too.

 

[Janoy crevesa]

Damn, you guys are cutting up on that type of eating? Seems like an awful lot of food. I was just curious that's all, I guess once in awhile I'll do something different post workout like Chipotle grill but that's pretty much the extent of it.

Now on cheat days it's all out war on food. There is no telling what I'm going to eat, it could be a pizza, pancakes, an entire pack of Oreo cookies, who knows. The next day after I'll look a little bloated and up a few lbs, but usually 2-3 days later I start looking much tighter again. If I was getting ready to compete then it would just be 1 cheat meal per week.

The one thing I'll give you guys is I can see where your diet would keep you from getting depressed. Diets can become depressing and there is definitely validity in that. I just think when you're getting under 7-8% bodyfat it's inevitable.

I can see where you guys are coming from now, you're looking at dieting as more of a long haul deal rather than a super strict and intense 12 wks or so. My issue is I can't put some of the shit down once I start eating it, so I'm like a light switch, once it's flipped off then it's off, and back to the diet. I just love bodybuilding and I know the diet takes discipline, so I do it. I definitely wouldn't consider myself a mental case with food, it's just what I prefer to see results

got those feels. If I get a box of oreos, I'm gonna wanna finish it.

 

[D-Ballin]

@Demondosage exactly, it's more of a long term
Thing. Keep in mind we are not just eating whatever the hell we want to hit calories.. We are just eating foods that we enjoy but usually are meticulously tracking those foods to make sure the rest of the day is good macro wise. To sum it up, it's not eating 20 pieces of cake a day, it's maybe eating a piece or two and fitting those into the overall day macros without freaking out that we just ate cake.

It's just a different approach and I get where you're coming from too.

Yeah. End of the day, it's a matter of finding a system that works well for you.

I don't ever miss food, or pine for it. When I do, that's when I fuck up a day. If I really want a donut, I'll have one. Most of the time though, I'll choose not to, just on the basis that I'd rather have a better lunch that day. The non restrictive nature actually makes it easier for me to restrict myself. Addict brain or something, I don't know.

Put me on a keto diet though, and I'll day dream about bread and fruit all day. If I cut on a moderate, low carb diet though, then I don't miss it in the slightest. Same results, apart from the initial water weight.

And like I said, I'll run prescriptive diet plans when I'm slammed at work, or have personal shit going on. Sometimes it's nice to be able to shop and prep on the day off, and then auto pilot things for a few weeks. It never lasts me long though, and I get the same results either way. 2,000 at 40/40/20 or 50/10/40 is just that, regardless of if I want to put work in one day a week, or all seven.

 

[D-Ballin]

got those feels. If I get a box of oreos, I'm gonna wanna finish it.

Shhh. Don't say the O word.

There's a reason I never buy whole trays of those things, lol. Those, and cocoa pebbles. Have to know some limitations, lol.

 

[Docd187123]

Damn, you guys are cutting up on that type of eating? Seems like an awful lot of food. I was just curious that's all, I guess once in awhile I'll do something different post workout like Chipotle grill but that's pretty much the extent of it.

Now on cheat days it's all out war on food. There is no telling what I'm going to eat, it could be a pizza, pancakes, an entire pack of Oreo cookies, who knows. The next day after I'll look a little bloated and up a few lbs, but usually 2-3 days later I start looking much tighter again. If I was getting ready to compete then it would just be 1 cheat meal per week.

The one thing I'll give you guys is I can see where your diet would keep you from getting depressed. Diets can become depressing and there is definitely validity in that. I just think when you're getting under 7-8% bodyfat it's inevitable.

I can see where you guys are coming from now, you're looking at dieting as more of a long haul deal rather than a super strict and intense 12 wks or so. My issue is I can't put some of the shit down once I start eating it, so I'm like a light switch, once it's flipped off then it's off, and back to the diet. I just love bodybuilding and I know the diet takes discipline, so I do it. I definitely wouldn't consider myself a mental case with food, it's just what I prefer to see results

I don't cut on what I listed. That's basically maintaining or slightly gaining. When I want to cut I make my portion sizes smaller

 

[Demondosage]

I have found that I often switch back and forth from low carb dieting to moderate carbs, but put the bulk of carbs pre and post training. I can do very well on that. It's difficult when you're just dieting to diet and no real end goal in sight, I have to eventually switch things up. Like if I was trying to gain strength then I may do something like chipotle grill with a lemonade post workout a few days a week. This does take the stress off of things and sometimes the stress can actually fuck ya over. I've found that to be true too, going too strict for too long can make you look worse

 

[Janoy crevesa]

if youre doing the diet for a long term thing, having strict macros is a bad idea. You have to have a diet where you can see yourself doing it for life. If you get 150g protein and 300g carbs a day, it wont matter. Tomorrow you may get 200g protein 150g carbs and more fat. It doesn't matter. If you want to tighten up for a pool party for a day go ahead and cut carbs for a day and youll be dry as a bone assuming you don't have any appreciable amount of fat.