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Chapdaddy

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so I'm new here I've been reading a lot of threads on different cycles and advice and figured I'd make an account because everyone on here seems to know there shit. And I have a few questions of my own. For starters I'm 24 years old. 5'7" 188 and about 11 to 14% bf I've been lifting for about 6 years off and on. My best lifts right now are 265 squat clean, 425 Olympic squat , 320 front squat, 420 deadlift, 300 bench press but I'm not going to write a short novel just introducing myself and giving some stats. I look forward to hearing your advice and sharing my progress.
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
I was only wondering bc based on your other lifts @ 188lbs bw you're a stud...
any previous experience with PEDs?
No that's actually why I'm on here I got some things in line but I was gonna save the questions until I actually posted some shit on here. But I guess since you asked I have 30 mls of test e 250 30 mls of winstrol depot, arimidex 1mg and Clomid working on getting some hcg and have been research in my ass of for about a year and a half since I bought it I've tried to hit my genetic potential and I think I'm ready but I've been reading a lot about hcg as intra cycle as well as post cycle pre pct and that changes what I had planned My plan before the hcg week 1-12 test e 500mg a week Monday and Thursday along with adex .25 mg eod then 8-12 winstrol 50mg Ed then 2weeks after last pin Clomid 150/100/100/50/50 but I'm pretty hesitant to commit being that I have been researching hcg. And if my plans is pretty solid. Thoughts? Oh and thanks for the compliment. Not good enough for me though. Lol.
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you will love winstrol effects on performance...

...you will hate the injections however, hurt like a bitch. You can drink it and have very close to the same bio-availability, same effects. Slightly more taxing on the liver but shouldn't be a concern unless you have another health condition.
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
you will love winstrol effects on performance...

...you will hate the injections however, hurt like a bitch. You can drink it and have very close to the same bio-availability, same effects. Slightly more taxing on the liver but shouldn't be a concern unless you have another health condition.
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No I don't have any health conditions but I have some liver support because I know inj still effect your liver but other than that how's it look to you? I just want to make sure I'm getting the most of what I got cuz the shit wasn't cheap lol. And by close to the same what is taken away? If that's the right term?
 
Chapdaddy said:
No I don't have any health conditions but I have some liver support because I know inj still effect your liver but other than that how's it look to you? I just want to make sure I'm getting the most of what I got cuz the shit wasn't cheap lol. And by close to the same what is taken away? If that's the right term?
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here's some reading...I've ran it both ways. Mostly stick to oral now just because the injections are very painful, you can get by but it just seems unnecessary at this point to me personally.

Winstrol - Oral versus Injectable (More Different Than You Think!)
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
here's some reading...I've ran it both ways. Mostly stick to oral now just because the injections are very painful, you can get by but it just seems unnecessary at this point to me personally.

Winstrol - Oral versus Injectable (More Different Than You Think!)
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Good read brother I appreciate it. And while I appreciate the heads up on the injections sucking I think I'll start with the injections and if they get too shitty I'll just start drinking it. Now if I were to go that route would I take the same dosage?
 
Chapdaddy said:
Good read brother I appreciate it. And while I appreciate the heads up on the injections sucking I think I'll start with the injections and if they get too shitty I'll just start drinking it. Now if I were to go that route would I take the same dosage?
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50mg ED is the "average" starting dose most often. Do you have depot amps?
Remember you will likely need to pin with like a 20ga for water based
 
Chapdaddy said:
Yea that's what I had planned and I have 3 vials and I have 23 ga my buddy has them and gave me a bunch for free
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23ga is solid to pin most oil based compounds with, however, you will need larger for water based winstrol most likely.

Also I just realized your PCT is fucked. First off you will want to run a dual-serm PCT, most common is Nolva/Clomid. 150mg Clomid is FUBAR, don't do this! You're cycle is a pretty standard first cycle other than pinning winny instead of throwing an oral in w/ 500mg Test. 100mg Clomid will likely be unnecessary with these doses, I think you could get away with less. Get pre-cycle bloods to set baseline numbers, run your cycle, implement HcG (if you decide), run a 4 week dual-serm pct, get bloods to see if you recovered. Do some more reading you are at a critical phase right now, hold off as long as you can and make sure you know what you are stepping into.

The Basics of Ordering Bloodwork | MESO-Rx Forum

Comprehensive Guide to PCT | MESO-Rx Forum

gpzmedlab DOT com
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
23ga is solid to pin most oil based compounds with, however, you will need larger for water based winstrol most likely.

Also I just realized your PCT is fucked. First off you will want to run a dual-serm PCT, most common is Nolva/Clomid. 150mg Clomid is FUBAR, don't do this! You're cycle is a pretty standard first cycle other than pinning winny instead of throwing an oral in w/ 500mg Test. 100mg Clomid will likely be unnecessary with these doses, I think you could get away with less. Get pre-cycle bloods to set baseline numbers, run your cycle, implement HcG (if you decide), run a 4 week dual-serm pct, get bloods to see if you recovered. Do some more reading you are at a critical phase right now, hold off as long as you can and make sure you know what you are stepping into.

The Basics of Ordering Bloodwork | MESO-Rx Forum

Comprehensive Guide to PCT | MESO-Rx Forum

gpzmedlab DOT com
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Yea I figured the Clomid would be a lil much so maybe 50/50/25/25for four weeks along with nolva 40/40/20/20 or maybe split the nolva in half as well. I'm still reading and researching tweaking my diet and workouts just want everything to be planned before starting. I'm not really in a hurry to start. And my wife is an rn at a family practice so she's gonna do my blood and send it in all that's covered. And I'll get some different pins.
 
Chapdaddy said:
Yea I figured the Clomid would be a lil much so maybe 50/50/25/25for four weeks along with nolva 40/40/20/20 or maybe split the nolva in half as well. I'm still reading and researching tweaking my diet and workouts just want everything to be planned before starting. I'm not really in a hurry to start. And my wife is an rn at a family practice so she's gonna do my blood and send it in all that's covered. And I'll get some different pins.
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you could run 1 week of Clomid @ 75-100mgs and if any sides show up like blurred vision drop down. Personally I would run 50mgs all the way through if you could tolerate it, it just turns me into a blubbering mess. I don't believe 40mg of Nolva has any greater effect than 20mg Nolva weekly but I can't find the evidence I once read to support this...there is however some interesting reading here:

Effect of lower versus higher doses of tamoxifen on pituitary-gonadal function and sperm indices in oligozoospermic men. - PubMed - NCBI

Other Uses of Tamoxifen
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The most important thing to remember is these are serious drugs...and you need to realize that most of what you read online is just opinion. So take any constructive criticism as just that, this is not medical advice...as I am not qualified for anything more than telling you my past experiences.
 
TANGO.ECHO.KILO said:
you could run 1 week of Clomid @ 75-100mgs and if any sides show up like blurred vision drop down. Personally I would run 50mgs all the way through if you could tolerate it, it just turns me into a blubbering mess. I don't believe 40mg of Nolva has any greater effect than 20mg Nolva weekly but I can't find the evidence I once read to support this...there is however some interesting reading here:

Effect of lower versus higher doses of tamoxifen on pituitary-gonadal function and sperm indices in oligozoospermic men. - PubMed - NCBI

Other Uses of Tamoxifen
^^^
The most important thing to remember is these are serious drugs...and you need to realize that most of what you read online is just opinion. So take any constructive criticism as just that, this is not medical advice...as I am not qualified for anything more than telling you my past experiences.
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Well I would listen to someone who's done shit than reading any day. And I'll definitely read those. I appreciate all the advice man. I read a lot of the threads on here of guys just gettin shit on. Lol. Just when ever you can send me any article you can like I said still researching and I'm not in a rush.
 
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